• The basics of free will
    Could you have then picked B? If you say “yes I could have controlled the influence to pick A and still picked B” I would then again ask “why didn’t you”. This final “why didn’t you” you obviously don’t know the answer to. You can do this for any choicekhaled

    This is good. When other considered choices don't come in first, the no 'if' or could have' options didn't make it in actuality, and so they become a fantasy.
  • Is god a coward? Why does god fear to show himself?
    he imitates his master,Gnostic Christian Bishop

    Well, there goes integrity, imitating a Bad Role Model.
  • Can something exist by itself?
    Wouldn’t the universe be the one thing that exists?NOS4A2

    Yes, the Totality of what is real as a Whole would be the one and only permanent
    thing. There could not be any spacers of impossible Nothingness within it. Einstein and Rovelli suggest that, as such, all is field.

    My friend and I discussed it further:

    This 'Eterne' or 'World' (as referred to in the old days) is the one necessary being (not Being).

    No thing can lie outside of the World, for if any such thing were real, it would be included in the World. Thus, the world could not have been caused by anything outside of it. Nor could the World have caused itself, for that which does not exist cannot cause anything. Accordingly, the World had no beginning and will have no end; thus it is the Eterne, or what 'IS'. QED.

    However, the World is in continuous transition. Indeed, the idea of causation comes from the fact that a small portion of the world seems from our perspective to change or move in constant conjunction with certain things that preceded it.

    One may object that if the World is in continuous transition, it does not exist as anything in particular, not even for an instant, for logically there can be no instants where the progress of transitions is perfectly seamless temporally.

    But what then is the basis for the conclusion that the World necessarily exists? Something must stitch together all the continuous transitions to account for the world as a unitary existent. The world must somehow remain the same even as it changes. But how is this possible?

    The answer is that the World must have a kind of eternal essence that dictates the kinds of, albeit not the number of, its transitions. This limitation in kind is what we experience from our point of view as the laws of nature.

    This condition of the World is, in a way, analogous to a topological space that is capable of an infinite number of forms that are however subject to the limitation that any form must be returnable to some original form.

    It seems right that the Eterne/IS/World, having no possible point for input, can't be anything specific or particular, it then, presumably being Everything, either potentially, as in presentism, or somehow, all at once, in a superposition, as in eternalism or as in the quantum realm.

    'Everything' sounds really Great; however, note that its total information content would be the same as the impossible Nothing, that is, zero. Welcome to the Library of Babel that contains all possible books.

    You will be back, again and again, but you won't remember the previous.
  • Is god a coward? Why does god fear to show himself?
    thinking that such a moral monster is goodGnostic Christian Bishop

    Made these today:

    God thought of, planned, designed, and implemented
    Human Nature—angelic to demented,
    And in His recipe’s span those expressed
    Unsurprisingly had to be reinvented.

    Shirking responsibility, The Blamer
    Cited humans as the culprits of his err,
    And cast them out of Eden, to this day—
    This evil being God’s own Original Sin.

    The Great Flood killed all but Noah’s near clan,
    God acting against His own 6th Command,
    Those dead being of God’s intended nature—
    Yet another myth-take in rainbow land.

    Yet, there was no Genesis of Man, as is,
    In modern form, so recently, by a Wiz,
    Nor a separate animal life line,
    For He flunked out of evolution’s quiz.
  • What's it all made of?
    I think the problem is the notion that things are “made of” something, and are not themselves something.NOS4A2

    The Eternal Basis would be unmakeable and unbreakable, as ungenerated and deathless.
  • The basics of free will
    But classical mechanics is completely deterministic. So your will is either completely deterministic or completely random. I don’t think that leaves any room for “free”.khaled

    I do know some seemingly random air-heads, but that is just a joke here, but the pearl of the joke is that 'completely random' would be a total disaster, yet, that's what the opposite of 'determined' would be, as 'not determined'.

    Now that the other shoe drops, as 'random', and to boot, even harms the will, its saving grace drains away, and the foot now stinks, and thus one rushes to embrace the first shoe kicked away, that of 'determinism', for probably no better reason than 'free will' sounds like a good thing to have to not be a robot, because then one celebrates that a fixed will grants consistency and order, over disorder.

    I would also challenge someone to define what “free will” is in a way that doesn’t just boil down to “random will”khaled

    The greatest minds have tried.

    What makes it a freely willed decision is that I made it; I wrote what I wanted to write.Relativist

    'Freely willed' is the base definition of 'free will' being that the fixed will able to operate and do its willing true to itself when not coerced otherwise; however, 'fixed will' is dynamic in that it can change to a new and better (or worse, if criminal) fixed will via learning and experience.
  • The basics of free will
    random willkhaled

    Thankfully,

    whereas a single particle exhibits a degree of randomness, in systems incorporating millions of particles averaging takes over and, at the high energy limit, the statistical probability of random behaviour approaches zero. In other words, classical mechanics is simply a quantum mechanics of large systems. — Wiki
  • Omar Khayyam
    This looks like it would be good to watch on acid.S

    Or just pot and Persia-fumes, so the colors don't come out and grab you—pulling you into your big 4K TV.
  • Is it really true that you cannot fall up?
    to actually fall upwardChildish Daydream

    I fell up the stairs of an escalator once, but that probably doesn't count.

    Another time, I lay flat on the earth at night, looking up at the stars and pretending that up was down; I had to grab on to the grass to keep myself up.
  • Metaphysics
    This is over my head. I suspect I’m not the only one confused about it, though.Noah Te Stroete

    Blowing your mind…

    The sun is not the same sun as it was a trillionth of a second ago, although to us a semblance of the ‘sun’ remains.

    There are, strictly speaking, no objects that are identical with themselves over time, and so the temporal sequence probably remains open.

    Nature is then no longer seen as clockwork, but only as a ‘possibility gestalt’, the whole world occurring anew each moment; however, the deeper reality from which the world arises, in each case, acts as a unity in the sense of an indivisible ‘potentiality’, which can perhaps realize itself in many possible ways, it not being a strict sum of the partial states.

    It appears to us, though, that the world consists of parts that have continued on from “a moment ago”, and thus still retain their identity in time; yet, matter likely only appears secondarily as a congealed potentiality, a congealed gestalt, as it were.

    (Maybe)
  • Is god a coward? Why does god fear to show himself?
    The light of Heav’n did the Earth illumine,
    When He shaped human nature’s acumen.
    Temptations He then placed everywhere,
    But He’ll punish us for being human!

    I fear not death, Heaven, or even Hell,
    For death is only life’s natural knell,
    And Heaven and Hell are within myself;
    The one thing I fear is not living well!
  • Metaphysics
    So if there are ‘jumps’ from one discrete state to another, what does that say about causality? It seems that at the quantum level, cause and effect break down, no?Noah Te Stroete

    It's confusing, for in quantum mechanics, there's no underlying objective state, as all is in a superposition until some interaction occurs, for which we understand the probability of the result, as unitary, meaning that the probabilities add up to 1. They say that some kind of wave function, either as real or just as a math tool, goes along deterministically until the wave function collapses, giving the probabilistic result. All of our computers work, so QM is telling us something right.

    Or, maybe at every Planck instant the universe is created anew.

    Philosophically, I'd think that randomness has to be the bedrock of reality, but, upwards of that there would be deterministic cause and effect when possible, it the operation doesn't touch the bedrock.
  • Metaphysics
    Is there a Planck length of relative motion or time as there is a Planck length in spacial extension?Noah Te Stroete

    There is a Plank time, the shortest time in which anything can happen, and there are zillions of these times a second. Presumably, the discreteness of this and other quanta indicates a digital universe, casting Einstein's analog continuum into doubt—but it could still very well approximate a continuum.
  • Metaphysics
    I think stuff just happens and "cause" is just an overlay we superimpose on the world.T Clark

    As we've kind of measured, there may be trillions of tiny changes in tiny constituents every second, although the semblances containing them, such as the sun or a tree or a rock last very long. Perhaps events happen, which we take as stuff, and the laws of nature underlie.

    It appears that there is such a continual transitioning of the 'World' that not anything in particular can remain the same, even for an instant, or the instant is incredibly short. To me, this indicates something very energetic. It's hard to specify.
  • Metaphysics
    Right now, I come down on the side that it doesn't make sense to think things are caused, although I can't really give a satisfactory reason yet.T Clark

    How about a 'transitioning', via laws.

    Or just the one big effect of the Big Bang continuing? Our local cause and effect analysis has to draw a boundary, as a cutting off?
  • Is god a coward? Why does god fear to show himself?
    Do what you can to make it sooner as they are still hurting many.Gnostic Christian Bishop

    Yes, I do, but some are so taken by the idea that I'll have to wait for them to die. The younger generation seems more amenable to change.

    The Great Flood is particularly ugly.
  • Is god a coward? Why does god fear to show himself?
    Of course, the mythical, biblical 'God' idea is doomed, and is heading toward dead. 'God' has no character and so it is a rather sad situation, for to accept is to approve.
  • The basics of free will
    Would there be any way to prove or test this idea? (saying "there is only one reality" is a type of reasoning but a long way from actual evidence) Is it any different in actual practice from "there are many possibilities but only one is actualized"? I mean, wouldn't I act the same either way?ZhouBoTong

    It's tough. We can't run the universe again to see it anything different happened, and even if we could, the difference might have mostly been at the beginning where some 'random' happening might have gone a long way, or way later on, some unwashed out 'random' held some big sway, but randomness hurts the will and so we don't care much about that something could be different via randomness in the re-run.

    We can, though, say that what did happen, non randomly, trumps as actuality the claims such as "should have", making those to be of a fantasy world stance.
  • Pronouns and Gender
    I actually think that everyone is queer, however. Identifying as such is also a partial means to promote the theory which I see as being mostly positive.thewonder

    Yes, probably, as not 100% all one way, just as many might have some amount of any condition, such as depression, but not really notice, since it doesn't exceed some threshold.
  • Pronouns and Gender
    Identify as being queer, but functionally straight? Lol.S

    @thewonder is a good person here and keeps the discussions going, plus he is being forthright.

    There can be degrees of 'problems' with the masculinization of the brain. All embryos begin as female.
  • Pronouns and Gender
    vagino-AmericansT Clark

    Shey might not go for that, plus the 'o' is kind of a male ending, such as with 'filipino' (vs filipina) which still would be good for males who have converted, leaving 'vaginas' for true females. Yes, men are 'dicks'.
  • Pronouns and Gender
    I don't mean to assume that you're unaware of them, but I think that you have just rediscovered the Spivak pronouns.thewonder

    Yes, I was unaware; so, the rediscoveries might indicate that they would be useful.
  • Pronouns and Gender
    A group of all females could be called 'gnyos'.

    Lately, I hear that there are 57 genders. Where does it ever end?
  • Pronouns and Gender
    you guysthewonder

    In the New Grammar School:

    Genderless Pronouns

    Since there are no gender neutral pronouns in the English Language, how do we refer to antecedents whose gender is irrelevant, without resorting to clumsy constructions such as “he or she” (or should it be “she” or “he”), or by using the generic “he” and thereby maligning women, or by tiresomely repeating the original noun over and over.

    We’ll have to invent the gender neutral pronouns.

    But they won’t have a chance of getting used if they don’t sound right.

    Right, they would have to be different enough from what they’re replacing to be distinct, but similar enough to suggest a ready parallel which could easily catch on. So, they’d still have to be a single syllable, for example, but without suggesting sounds already used for other common simple words, like the long vowel sound of “a” (the article “a”), “i” (the pronoun “I”), “o” (the exclamation “oh”), “u” (the pronoun “you”), and “y” (the adverb “why”), all of which, of course, are already taken.

    Sounds tough.

    It’s so tough that no such common gender pronouns have ever caught on, although many have been suggested, such as, for the third person subjective singular, “it”, singular “they”, “heesh”, and “thon” (the one). Yet, the problem of the third person subjective singular has been solved in the written word.

    What is the solution?

    “S(he)” or “s/he”.

    Yes, I’ve seen it used; but of course orally it would still sound like “she” or “he or she”. What do you suggest?

    Perhaps we can use the fact that “he” and “she” share the long “e” sound. “He or she” can simply be replaced by “e”; luckily, it’s the only unused long vowel sound left for use as a word of its own.

    Let’s try it.

    “The writer must carefully proofread what e writes.”

    “After God created the Earth in six days, E rested on the seventh.”
    “Everyone likes pizza, doesn’t e? (They sure do.)”

    “E who hesitates is lost.”
    “Every one of us knows e is fallible.”

    “Everyone is invited, whether e is a member or not.”
    “The quick-walker down the morning path gazes, to where e will be when the next trail blazes.”

    Sounds good. Now, what about the third person objective singular. I don’t want to have to say “him or her”.

    Since “him” and “her” have dissimilar sounds, we’ll have to somehow combine them, and perhaps utilize the fact that they each start with the same letter “h”, by either retaining it or dropping it, although we certainly don’t want to replace it.

    How about “himer” or “herim” or “her-him”?

    Too long. But that gives me an idea. How about “erm”, using this line of reasoning: “her-him” -> “herim” -> “erim” -> “erm”? I would have preferred “herm” but that’s a man’s name.

    “The new class president gets elected tomorrow, so I’ll leave it up to erm.”
    “Everyone came and I was glad to see erm.”

    “Let everyone ask ermself to consider the implications of the lack of the epicene pronoun.”
    “Either John or Mary should bring a schedule with erm.”

    Maybe we could even shorten it to “em”, like “everyone came and I was glad to see em.”
    I wish we could use it but “em” is also a contraction of “them”. Too bad, but maybe “erm” will catch on.

    OK, maybe, but what about the third person possessive singular; I don’t want to have to say “his or hers”. I know we can’t use “hiser” or “their”, which is plural, although lots of people say wrong things like “One must watch their language” or “Does anyone want to read their best poem to us?”

    The wrong usage of “their” gives me an idea. Perhaps we can yet use its wrongness to our advantage, since it has come to sound almost right. Since we can’t use the combination “ern” from “his” and “her” because “ern” conflicts with “earn”, how about another approach: let’s use “eir” and play off of the groundwork laid by good sound of the misuse of the plural “their”.

    Let’s try it.

    “Who dropped eir ticket?”

    “Would each student please hang up eir coat upon entering the classroom.”
    “One must watch eir language.”

    “Does anyone want to read eir best poem to us?” And you know what the best thing about “e”, “erm”, and “eir”; something great that we didn’t even notice?

    What is it?

    They all start with the letter “e”. That will unify the set and make it easier to remember.

    Hey, you’re right. Thanks, I’ll use that as a selling point.


    Manglish

    English, for all its large vocabulary, has some missing words. For one, there is no personal pronoun which means “he or she” in the epicene case (gender-neutral or non-gender-specific case). If there were, then we could use it when the gender was irrelevant or unknown. Worse yet, the present solution, he, is of the masculine case, although ‘he’ is used generically. Still, this causes males to be more often imaged in the reader’s or listener’s mind, thus rendering females less visible. A similar problem exists for “him or her” and “his or hers”. Substituting brand new words is not an easy task, or such words would have presented themselves through common usage, for example, youse, all of you, and you-all (y’all) have filled in for the non distinct plural form of you (used as both singular and plural).

    Another problem is the gap left by corrupted feminine nouns. For example, ‘bachelor’ is a respectable term for an unmarried male, but the feminine counterparts of bachelor all had connotations (spinster, divorcee, maiden, old maid, widow), so much so that females had to adopt ‘bachelorette’, but this is still a male derived word and is also diminutive. Fortunately, this problem has been solved with the introduction of female single, or ‘femgle’. Not really. The word ‘female’ even contains ‘male’, which I suppose is the biblical ‘of the male’, or else is was meant to be ‘fee-male’, as taking a woman out usually means there is a fee (just a joke), and ‘woman’ embraces ‘man’ in it. So, let us try to turn Manglish back into English, but then we’d have to reprint all the books!

    Examples of the Problems:

    Each one of us loves his mother.
    The writer must carefully proofread what he writes.
    All men are created equal.
    Let’s ask each of the poets what he thinks is his best work.
    Let everyone ask himself to consider the problem of the lack of the epicene pronoun.
    Man, being a mortal, breast feeds his young.
    Well, Jane, you’re a real handyman.
    After God created the Earth in six days, He rested on the seventh.
    Mrs. Robert Jones is our new chairman.
    Everyone likes pizza, doesn’t he? (They sure do.)
    This is the house whose roof leaks.
    She gave her jewels.
    It’s time you (you-all) came to visit us.
    Would everyone please hang up their coat.

    Summary

    E, eir, erm; ermself are certainly the mainstays of the new personal pronoun set, as they are the ones used most often, being in the third person. It is a fortunate coincidence that e, eir, erm; ermself all start with “e”. This unifies the set and makes them easier to remember. E is also the only vowel sound yet unused for an important word. ‘Eir’ suggests a parallel to “their”. ‘Erm’ combines ‘him’ and ‘her’.

    The Final Words

    Each person must watch eir words when e writes or speaks. Everyone(now plural) must try their best to be fair to both men and wym. The writer is urged to remind ermself to rewrite eir books and substitute the new pronouns so that fems can be imaged as well as males. Wimyn should then see sheir status improve. Shey can then truly say that all gen are created equal and that every hume is fairly represented in language. All genkind will benefit. Thank yous for yur interest in this subject. However, the pronoun ‘which’ is still without a possessive case, and therefore English is still a language whose missing words need attention.

    (I have a full chart somewhere, if I can find it.)

    Also:

    Verbs has to agree with their subjects.
    Be more or less specific.
    It is wrong to ever split an infinitive.
    Avoid clichés like the plague—they’re old hat.
    Prepositions are not words to end sentences with.
    Like, don’t use the word ‘like’, a lot, like in this sentence.
    Foreign words are not apropos.
    Contractions aren’t necessary and shouldn’t be used.
    And don’t start a sentence with a conjunction.
    No sentence fragments.
    Also, too, never, ever use repetitive redundancies.
    Parenthetical remarks (however relevant) are (usually) unnecessary.
    Do not be redundant; do not use more words than necessary; it’s highly superfluous.
    Its important to be careful about it—about it’s meaning.
  • Pronouns and Gender
    If no one practices getting the pronouns correct then they will never become easy to use colloquially.thewonder

    When gender is unknown,
    Some pronouns can’t be said,
    So, for he or she, use “e”,

    As for him or her, it’s “erm”,
    And for his or hers, use “eir”.

    As for a singular you, that is it;
    For the plural, use “you-all”.
  • Get Creative!
    From my Rubaiyat II:

    The universe’s mantle binds us worn—
    Tears feeding the river on which we’re borne.
    Hell’s but an ember of our senseless fears;
    Heaven’s the rose-breath of opening morn.

    At this hour of the dawning; up, flower of thy kind!
    With rubies in crystal, come gladden the mind;
    For this moment we borrow from Time on the wing
    Full oft wilt thou seek nor again wilt thou find.

    Morning springs us over the wasteland’s brink,
    And on time’s sand we’ll the oasis drink.
    Life’s strange caravan through the desert winds,
    Back toward Nothing; drink—afore the lights sink.

    We who dally on the soft river grass,
    Drinking each others morning breath, alas,
    While the flowered Persia-fumes waft about,
    Are free and saved from the mosque’s tiring mass.

    Night’s mystical flight of fulfilled desires
    Heralds the day-star, as darkness retires;
    The Sun subsumes the stars, fire-paints the dawn,
    And captures the Sultan’s holy spires.
  • On Buddhism
    An Unreal Experience

    I climbed the Himalayas, long ago,
    While traveling for the Army DIA to be,
    And complained to the wise Lama
    Up there that life could be hell.

    He said “Get lost!
    Go make a heaven of hell and then me tell.
    The door is never shut on the prison cell,
    So, why would you ever want to stay inside it
    When the exit is always wide open.”

    A week passed, then a month, and then 31 years,
    And I found myself at a Buddhist-run cafe,
    In New Hamburg, NY, and decided to sit there
    Through most of the summer,
    Having just retired from IBM,
    And becoming as free as a neutrino.

    The cafe was run by the Buddha Girls
    From the monastery on Shafe Road,
    Home to one of only two Lamas
    In the entire United States,
    And the only one on the east coast.

    The cafe was called
    “Himalayas on the Hudson”,
    And the Lama often came to dine there,
    With his entourage of higher-ups and bodyguards.

    Because I was there often,
    I got to know the old Lama,
    His bodyguards ever retreating,
    And so I taught him how to do
    High fives and low fives and such,
    And we began to talk about
    The connectedness that underlies all things,
    The reaching of which meditative state
    Through the removal of all thoughts
    Being the very heart of Buddhism.

    In addition, I always gave him the weather
    For the rest of the day and for the next day,
    Always saying that
    It would become sunny if it was raining,
    And that it would be still sunny
    If it was already sunny,
    And if it was really raining heavily,
    That it was always sunny on the inside.

    I remember,
    Thinking upon first meeting him
    That “here he is”, the great one,
    And so I have a chance to ask
    A deep question of him,
    Without having to go back over to
    Tibet or India and climb up a mountain,
    So, I pointed to an article
    In the newspaper that said,
    “We may never know who won
    The Presidential election, Bush or Gore”
    And so I asked him for his wisdom on the matter.

    Well, he thought for only a second or two and said,
    “Who cares!”, and such it sunk into me a bit later
    That this was a great wisdom, indeed.

    The Cafe workers didn’t wear the flowing gold
    And reddish robes that the Buddhists wore,
    But wore regular clothes and even had long hair,
    And so, many of the hectic type customers,
    Unknowing of their servers’ Buddhism,
    Wondered at the peace and joy
    That the workers radiated,
    As if they were in some sort of serenity field,
    Which I suppose the workers were,
    Plus they being chosen for their outgoingness.

    I talked with them about string theory,
    The theory that the differing vibrations
    Of really small ‘strings’ gives rise
    To all of the elementary particles and forces,
    And, so, we related this to all that is absolute
    And fundamental beneath this projection
    Of reality in which we live out life dreams.

    Buddhism is not a religion, but a way of life,
    And Buddhists can still have friends,
    Outside jobs, fun, sex, and whatnot,
    Although some of them spend a lot of time
    On the inner world, which, like meditation,
    Can only be known as “not what you think”.

    Summer soon died in his sleep one night,
    And so Time hurled its waves ever onward
    
Until even Old Autumn had passed on.

    The cafe had now been rented out,
    Having become an American-Korean restaurant
    Run by Sin-Ha and Su-Nee,
    Although still owned by the Buddhists.

    Winter had snowed us in.

    In late spring, the Cafe, still my ‘office’,
    Announced that it was closing down,
    Right away, for it could talk,
    Although its Garden of Peace and Serenity,
    Surrounded on three sides by 30-foot rocks,
    The “Himalayas”, was still open,
    And so I figured that it was time
    To move my “office” outdoors,
    Not that I would ever do any W-O-R-K there,
    For that is a four-letter word to a retired person.

    Then, miracles of miracles, that day,
    After saying good-bye to the Koreans
    And taking home 50 eggs
    And many bags of chocolate chip cookies,
    I went back to the Cafe garden
    To sit under an umbrella table in the rain,
    And there was the old Lama himself,
    Sitting there, all alone,
    Having just shown the building
    To someone who might lease it.

    I hadn’t seen him in six months,
    For he had been off to other continents.

    He gave me a medium high five
    And I told him that the sun would be out tomorrow,
    And that it was always sunny on the inside.
    He said, “Thanks, old friend.”

    “Re-leasing the building?”

    “Yes, probably, but we’d like sell it.
    Perhaps Buddhists shouldn’t be in business.”


    “Well, it worked as a kind of outreach,
    When you ran it,
    And the Koreans liked it for a while.”

    “True.”

    “How’s the new golden temple going?”

    “It’s about half completed.
    We need another three million dollars.”


    “Hmmm.”

    “Yes, I know.
    Perhaps Buddhists shouldn’t be looking for money,
    Nor building a golden temple that’s not really real.”


    “Yes, I’ve heard that this world isn’t really real,
    That we shouldn’t worry about the rain
    Or about life’s tribulations.”

    “That’s what we believe.
    Tell me, does that work?”


    “Well, um, does not life’s existence
    Look, seem, and act just the way it would,
    In every detail, as if it were really real?”

    “Yes, indeed. Exactly.
    That’s what they say makes for the great illusion.”


    “I hate to say this,
    But a ‘difference’
    That makes no difference
    Is no difference.”

    “I think you’re onto something.”
  • Is god a coward? Why does god fear to show himself?
    The 'God' who is supposed to be everywhere shows up nowhere.
  • Neutral Monism
    I like Borges. Have you ever played the game Myst? This isn't terribly like Myst at all, but I had just thought of that for some reason.thewonder

    Played it over 25 years ago; it has a book in it at the start.
  • The basics of free will
    That’s why I believe every action I commit, whether it is sitting down, breathing, even every single heart beat, is self-caused because it is performed by me and only me, and therefor not determined by anything else.NOS4A2

    Yes, but were we ever responsible for what our wills came to be? Or were our wills shaped by our genetics, environment, and experiences?
  • Neutral Monism
    You seem to have a lot of spare time on your hands. Do you write all of these stream of conscious?thewonder

    I've been retired since 2000; first I write them (they don't just stream in but for sometimes. imagining I'm in the action), then I do most of the art for them (except for what I get free or pay a little for). Borges, the librarian named in the story, had the original idea.
  • Neutral Monism
    There are too many books to be written!thewonder

    They're all there, complete, in the Library of Bable:

  • What's it all made of?
    THE SUPER TOE IS CAUSELESS,
    THUS, THAT IS THE SUPER TOE!

    Our train of thought has driven us to the answer,
    Of all that borne from near ‘nothing’ into eternity,
    Of the origin of the original disorder,
    The lone dawn of our trackless radix,
    Via the rails and tunnels that ever ran out:

    There cannot be ever more and more
    Causes beneath even more extended causes;
    Therefore, intuitive or not, the causeless is,
    Being such as what we observe it in the quantum.

    Thus, cause is only of our higher realm,
    As downward thence to its root emergence—
    ‘Possibility’ needed no mother but itself;
    An egg burst open, born without a chicken.

    The causeless bottom is the potential
    Of possibility that is/was ever there,
    An eternal basis forced because something is
    And because this existence can’t have an opposite.

    Since it’s ‘defined’ as an undefined chaos,
    There’s no problem of no initial definition had,
    Since it can’t have one and so it needs not any,
    Making it nothing in particular as everything.

    Things themselves become and go of ‘virtual’ potential,
    Some things remaining as the rather-enduring real.
    The potential is as near to simple as it gets,
    Second only to the nonexistent Nothing, of course.

    So, then, the potential is of no mind or ‘seeing’,
    For a thought system can never be constituted,
    As there are no more fundamentals upon more;
    For, the Potential is already the ultimate basis.

    Simple things ever combine, and further up,
    And/or go must through phase changes,
    Leading to more complex composites/forms,
    Inclined to neither be frozen nor unsticking.

    Stillness, not existing at all, and not even being able to,
    But, perhaps threatening to, is the simplest state of all,
    So, it must ever jiggle about, manifesting as loose ‘change’,
    The fluctuations of the quantum foam..

    You might say, then, that, that is exactly why
    There had to be the potential for things;
    Otherwise… A lack of anything, forever.

    We have now reached the unexpected TOE,
    One that even satisfies the ongoing trend,
    For, looking down, we’ve always observed
    The ever descending simplicity of Nature.

    Now, as such, we can’t really expect to find
    An Ultimate Complexity sitting
    Around there at the simplest point.

    We didn’t find Mind there;
    Thus, we are ever free to be,
    Yet, this is more of the will able to operate
    Than it ever able to be a first cause itself.

    This causeless bottom ‘fate’…
    Was/is, too, a ‘magical’ state,
    For anything could become of it,
    And so probably everything will.

    ‘Possibility’ is what’s fundamental,
    For all that can be must first be possible.
    This ‘Potential’ for All is necessity,
    Since a Not can’t be, or even be meant.
  • The basics of free will
    In other word, what determines how the un-determined develops?Echarmion

    Undetermined will wouldn't work. It's bad enough that some 'randomness' might creep in to harm the will. Tapping in to all future consequences in a block universe to find the best decision would obviate the will's analysis, so, the will actually wills, based on what it has become up to then, the dynamic fixed will ever widening its range of choices via learning and experience.

    The whole block universe idea, although sensible from GR, has pre-determined events being traversed, this seeming to make the brain's analysis redundant.

    As for references to conscious decisions by @Possibility and other herein, what appears to be a decision made in/by consciousness has already been done, the brain analysis having about 300-500 milliseconds ago. We don't see those brain gears churning and turning, and perhaps neither does the brain, it thus having to produce a result in the qualia language that the brain can perceive in total and globally, with other brain areas then able to operate further upon the product.
  • Neutral Monism
    I don't think that the idea of nonphysical things is coherent.Terrapin Station

    Yes, the 'nonphysical' isn't coherent because 'it' would communicate with the physical in physical terms, using energy and material whatnot, making it not to be a distinct realm. It's OK for now that the brain's internal symbols can't be gotten at because they are first person private.
  • What's it all made of?
    If you don't mind, I may use them in a future post.Gnomon

    That's fine for any poems I put out.
  • What's it all made of?
    Partially overcast.thewonder

    And lighter toward dawn.

    We need to return to First Principles and First Philosophy with a probably good direction that The Theory of Everything is likely something simple, and boring, even, or a least a minimal system of scattered basic stuff or energy.

    In presentism, complexity arises way later on, and the same with externalism's block universe, with its fake time that also starts with simplicity, at least as we see it traversed. Higher beings would be in our future, not the past, so forget about that angle. Simple is in. Even a proton, small as it is, can't be fundamental, for it has parts, of quarks, that have to be more fundamental, this according to our fundamental arts.

    An infinite regress of ever smaller and smaller part is out, too, for the effect would never surface, as the infinite never completes. The buck stops somewhere.

    As you have it, 'Nothing' cannot be, and so existence is mandatory, with no option, unable to arise from 'Nothing', and if it could, then there wasn't really a 'Nothing', for the capability of something 'arising' would be a something. Goodbye to 'From Nothing'.

    This isn't to say that a near nothing couldn't lead to a large balance of opposites that cancel out or mostly cancel out, such as with inflation's negative/positive energy balancing act, as proposed. It's more evident that there are many real balances in the universe.

    So, the Everything-Possible-Existence ever all being here, in principle, is a brute fact (barring another Bang in our universe or spontaneous arisings) but is greatly bolstered by there being not anything else forthcoming, due to none from Nothing, this Totality all here, either potentially, bit by bit, in time, as in presentism, or all at once, as in eternalism.

    Even though we are thus having Everything, with its eternal basis already here without ever being made, this apparent paradox need not concern us, for existence has no opposite that can be (real). Existence has to be, and, besides, there is indeed something.
  • What's it all made of?
    All that is present are the particles. There is nothing between them. Nothing does not exist. There is nothing there that is present in space. I, therefore, concluded that space does not exist. I think that it could, perhaps, be useful to conceptualize things along such lines. I just thought that I was taking it too far.thewonder

    Yes, particles are important, as useful field disturbances/perturbances, a kind of an alphabet that leads to words, phrases, sentences, paragraphs, in a kind of a literary prosaic and poetic uni-verse. Probably the universe is no chock full of particles all adjacent to one another, but separated by flatter fields.

    There would be no 'in space', per say. 'Nothing', having no being, just as we define it, is impossible.

    OK, for the now and then and the zen of when, 'Predict the Future'. What's the weather going to be next month?
  • Neutral Monism
    s "neutral" even the correct term? I don't know how you would say either/neither/or/nor.thewonder

    Yeah, and as they say in the Stanford article, there are about five further qualifications to do with what you said. Most times, I can hardly but keep up with such things only as it comes along. Everything seems to always spring a leak, no matter what the proposal.
  • What's it all made of?
    I'm glad that you like it, but I'm not quite sure how I feel about it now. I had just thought that nothing can't exist.thewonder

    You mean that everything possible, including space, has to exist? Could be, for the Eternal Basis has no point for any input to come into it, making it to probably be everything, given no design particulars.

    Still, what we think of as space might not have an independent existence, with 'stuff' providing its own extension. Or, since we only ever 'see' our own mind and never anything else directly, it could be that we spatialize what works for us as 'space' without any extensions being so at all.

    Presentism is difficult to understand because we conceptualize things through differentiation from past modalities. One exists only in the present, but understands only what has passed.thewonder

    Yes, and so to live well, 'Remember the Future'!

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