One needs a heart to live and pump blood. It's got bugger all to do with being good, you still need a brain for that too. — charleton

And what makes the brain so special? Neurons? Neurons just transmit. It is a relay center. The Mind permeates the body.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/gut-second-brain/

"The second brain contains some 100 million neurons, more than in either the spinal cord or the peripheral nervous system, Gershon says. This multitude of neurons in the enteric nervous system enables us to "feel" the inner world of our gut and its contents."

"The second brain informs our state of mind in other more obscure ways, as well. "A big part of our emotions are probably influenced by the nerves in our gut,"

I like the way we are all discussing rationality with the fundamental element being that we are all making choices.

This is obviously false. People rationally do good things and irrationally do bad things all the time. — aletheist

One never knows outcomes before actions. We make choices based upon some inner feeling. How it all turns out? Know I've knows. Maybe OK for some, not OK for others. Maybe starts OK and then turns unpleasant. Maybe the other way around. It's all continuously evolving and changing.

I just have this vague doubt concerning rationality. You won't see one person utter a bad word against it. — TheMadFool

Captain Kirk use to rail against it all the time.

the accident happened but at different times to different observers. Observer A saw it happen at 6 o'clock and observer B at 7 o'clock. Time, being relative, can't have the property of simultaneity. — TheMadFool

Real time is not relative. Freddy is dead. Measurement is relative because it depends upon the speed of light.. Unfortunately the myth persists that real time is relative because it makes good copy.

Relativity destroys the notion of simultaneity while LNC requires simultaneity. — TheMadFool

That can't be quite right.

If the train hits poor Freddy, Freddy is dead and there was a simultaneous event at a given location.

What may differ are the clock measurements and that is all Relativity is concerned with. It is the Sci Find writers that wish to elevate Special Relativity clock time to an ontology. Relativity is about converting measurements, nothing more but that doesn't stop science from building tales around it to sell books. General Relativity us a mathematics description about gravity. It had nothing to do with time. Einstein even had to invent a mathematics to make it work.

I have no idea what it means to think rationally. I'm quite sure, as with everything else in life, one's rational thinking is someone else's irrational.

In any case, all that brings meaning to life is about feeling, not thinking, so it is if no matter what rational thinking may or may not be.

Another way of putting the above: it's related to what they call "interpretation" in maths. When we say "1+1=2" whether that's true or false depends on what "+" means, what "=" means and what the natures of the objects we're talking about are. — gurugeorge

Yes. but the subtleness if what you are suggesting will not be grasped on one reading. It is the essence of understanding the fundamental issue that arises when one attempts to replace that which we observe with symbols. One cannot understand movement with stagnant symbols.

Nothing in the microscopic world has even been suggested to have an inconsistent nature. — MindForged

Well, we do have a problem here in defining "consistent behavior" in the microscopic world, in which nothing repeats. Everything is evolving.

So a bunch of people sitting around painting pictures and playing music would be somehow more meaningful? To what end? — CasKev

Try it and LEARN about Life. This is real Evolution.

Scientific dehumanization stagnates Life and creates meaningless, depression, bad health, and worse. Movement, spiritual, emotional, mental, and physical creates an harmonious Life.

Life Flows.

Meaningless religion being pushed as science in academia for dehumanization and economic gains. I hope people ignore the Bot-ization of Life and find a more creative Life through the arts or sports or similar.

Totally agree with your description of yourself.

bye bye

If you wish to guess that your mind has residence anywhere but in your brain, that's your supernatural prerogative. — VagabondSpectre

Not reading any further. Read about the enteric brain. Then spend your life understanding your body And have done. Bye bye.

ultimately raising the most important question relating to 'significance' or our very significance existentially. — TimeLine

This is where introspection of one's own spirituality path enters.

Why are you telling me? It's MU who doesn't understand that. I perfectly understand that panic attacks and anxiety are related, but they are different conditions, and I agree with the distinction drawn by doctors. — Agustino

They are not different "conditions". They stem from exactly the same source, only one more extreme than the other. Usually occurring when one does not change oneself appropriately, spiritually, mentally, emotionally, or physically - there has to be a real change. Drugs are suppressive and will ultimately make things much worse. This is not theoretical, it is demonstrated from real life experiences.

As I see it, the "law" isn't a law, but rather an earnest (in the sense of "a token of something to come; a promise or assurance.").

IOW, like the apriori generally, it simply reflects our intent to use language consistently.

We posit consistent natures for things, proceed as if things have those natures (belief=trust, expectation), and then subsequent experience of them, or of things causally connected to them, either conforms to that posited nature - or not. If experience pans out as expected, well and good, we continue to use the term consistently; if experience answers in the negative, we think up another kind of nature or essence, or modify the original, and continue.

Now it so happens that the "middle-sized furniture of the world" amidst which we've evolved has things that do in fact have consistent natures or essences through time. But we've already seen how that breaks down at the micro-level and macro-level (although we can still draw conclusions that fit the logic-obeying middle-world we live in, in terms of scientific meter readings and dial readings on equipment that's causally connected to the bizarre goings-on). — gurugeorge

Finally, someone on this forum who gets it.

Just pointing out the similarity between gods and it's modern construct, the Laws of Nature. The gods had a sense of humor as does the Laws of Nature. Curious.

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Rich is determined that QM is true!!! — charleton

Did you decide to write this or was it the Laws of Nature that decided to exhibit humor. Like Greek Gods, the Laws of Nature mimic everything that humans do! Coincidental?

This may will be the case. Ancient cultures pretty much all agree that the Heart is the seat of Life being that the beat of the heart provides the impetus of life. Here is one instance where science is catching up to what had been pretty well established for thousands of years:

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/gut-second-brain

"scientists were shocked to learn that about 90 percent of the fibers in the primary visceral nerve, the vagus, carry information from the gut to the brain and not the other way around. "Some of that info is decidedly unpleasant," Gershon says.

The second brain informs our state of mind in other more obscure ways, as well. "A big part of our emotions are probably influenced by the nerves in our gut," Mayer says."

Entanglement is fundamental to quantum mechanics. The observer is entangled as is everything else. As I said elsewhere, there is no separation anywhere.

Google it. It is fundamental.

The affect sugar induces is nevertheless just internal sensation which doesn't necessarily trigger fear or panic. — praxis

It affects emotions. Everyone is different.

Read up in quantum mechanics. There is no separation in any system between the observer and the observed. It is all entangled.

I'm always OK when it is Determined that conversation has ended. You don't think you made the decision, do you?

Ultimately it's all Mind, but the type of food one eats is as much of an intake as the things we see, the smells we smell, the tastes we tastes, the nourishment we different.

If you want to know what sugar can do to entire emotions, just observe children who are in a Big Mac diet.

should read "with" an evolving mind in that case, — celebritydiscodave

There is no "with". The Mind is evolving.

that you consider the world to be a mind. — celebritydiscodave

The two are inseparable.

I do n`t view life as an evolving mind, what does that even mean? — celebritydiscodave

It means the Mind is constantly learning. Maybe some people stop learning and stop evolving?

Prejudice is caused by a gap in thinking, hence defined as ignorance. "Sources" suggests too much to information, and prejudice is at odds with information, — celebritydiscodave

There is never a gap in thinking. Thinking is continuous, except when we are in a state of unconscious. I think you mean to say is that the reason for prejudice is when someone doesn't agree with a non-prejudiced point of view, whatever that may be.

we are determined because it is the only way in which we can possibly hope to function.. — celebritydiscodave

Well, I guess the gods determined some people to be prejudiced. And that's the way it is.

If one views life as an evolving Mind there are all kinds of sources for prejudice, mostly related to economics. However, if everything is Determined, there is only one source, the God of the Laws of Nature, and there ain't anything anyone can do about that. It's all programmed, right?

Don't worry, depression is all in your head. I'm sure anxiety is too... — CasKev

Too bad some good ideas are lost in the chaotic presentation. Still, she presents magic bullets and there are none. Everyone is different as are the approaches. In my experience, there is always a habit that had to be changed whatever it might be. In her case, she is working to hard for Likes and it shows.

Why would a god do that? — BlueBanana

I don't know. Maybe they got a degree in programming and decided everything has to be programmed. Gods are like people, they like to imagine things.

The whole body experiences anxiety. The modern infatuation with the brain (as an idol of some sort) would be comical if it wasn't so harmful - as all idols eventually become. One can equally ask the ridiculous question whether one can experience anxiety without a heart, or a spine, or a liver?

The body is in every way and manner a complete, holistic, living embodiment of the Mind. Anxiety can spring as much from a poor diet as from rigid thinking. There is no magic bullet. To moderate it one must investigate oneself, one's habits, one's perspective on life.

Anxiety has nothing to do with the brain. It is all in the gut - what is now called the enteric mind but had been known for thousands of years as the seat of the emotions in almost all cultures. This is the center of all ancient practices. Diet, massage, breathing exercises, spinal exercise, mediation, are all directed to this center if life. The brain is just a transmission station. That is all.

Determinism does n`t make anything pointless, and without it our lives would be a chaotic nightmare. — celebritydiscodave

If everything is fated then life does become meaningless. At least the Calvinists have a Heaven to look forward to. Determinists seemed determined to wring everything meaningful out of life, most especially the ability to manifest spontaneous creativity. As it happens, pretty much no one really believes it. There are however lots of economic reasons for is continued promotion, both directly and indirectly.

As for this position chaos, all of nature as it exist depends upon both spontaneity as well as learned habits as part of is evolution. What we observe is the result of this evolutionary process. Sometimes a gentle breeze will blow and sometimes there is a tsunami. Neither is determined but rather is a result of continual evolution.

Applied logic can result in trusted realization, — celebritydiscodave

Not in my experience. I find it parenthetical. Observational skills are most helpful.

I would say that out of all the philosophies, Buddhism seems to be the most effective in terms of reducing perceived anxiety and turning it into a means to inner enlightenment. Would that be something you agree with? — Posty McPostface

Buddhism is a fundamental philosophy of how excessive desires creates unhealthy spiritual, emotional, mental, and physical lives. It is simple and straightforward. Desiring a "solution" via Yoga, Buddhism, Tai Chi, or otherwise is counterproductive. What is productive is the advice of the Eight Noble Advice Wich is to seek the Middle Way, moderation.

I've observed long-time Buddhist practitioners who are every bit as stressed out as anyone else. Too much desire. Too much obedience. Not enough variety in Life.

What I have done in my life is study many forms of health practices including Tai Chi, Qigong, Mediation, Yoga, various sports and arts, etc. At times I've been stressed out. That is part if learning in Life. However, I've learned that it will pass and if I am in good health I will be fine. So far, so good. I'm 66, in terrific health, and very active. I practice moderation in everything.

Surely, is n`t that free will enough? — celebritydiscodave

It is a problem with nomenclature.

It is clear we are not "free" to do anything we wish to do.

The nature of human nature is that we (our minds) imagine a future possibility and then we use stored energy to attempt to effect this possibility (our will) after considering possible choices of how we can might use our body mechanisms. Outcomes are always uncertain. We can only try.

Beyond this, there are habitual aspects of our nature that we learned and are effected more or less without any conscious effort by the large Mind. Smaller minds in our bodies (e.g. muscle memory) effect these motions but are in consent communication with each other via the nervous system. A healthy body must maintain a healthy nervous system which is why ancient cultures developed specific exercises to nourish and cleanse the muscles, bones, and nervous system.

This is our nature. An understanding of it can lead to a long and fruitful life. You don't learn this from logic. You learn it from experience and practice. It is the skill of observation.

No. I like pointing out that the Emperor looks silly naked.

We are programmed — celebritydiscodave

Probably by gods.

This is specific enough. That you wish to stuff your mind into neurons is not my problem.

Can you define "Mind" please? — VagabondSpectre

It's what is peering out of your eyes and asking questions.