Right. A moral theory that says it's wrong to prioritize your family is not going to appeal to too many people.

OK, let's stick with moral innocents. Suppose I'm faced with a choice of saving my child or a stranger's child. Am I wrong for prioritizing my kid?

I do not believe everyone is equally morally valuable and so his conclusions dont apply to me
— Ourora Aureis

May I hear some arguments about this please? — LFranc

OK, let's start with the obvious. Was Hitler as morally valuable (and what does that mean, exactly?) as Jonas Salk?

Indeed, I was hoping my son would turn out like Donald, but I'm sad to say he's a cuck who doesn't grab pussy or cheat on his wife. And from the way he talks, it sounds like he values relationships over money. Fucking pajama boy

Wait a minute. Didn't Trump appoint Chris Wray? Surely, you can't be saying one of Trump's best people is out to get him.

No, I believe in environmental change (not just the UUUUH IT IS GETTING HOT part championed by the automatic masses under their corporate overlords). — Lionino

What do you think of this analogy? Is it possible the climate is like a large spinning object, say a hydroelectric turbine, and that enough small changes to the balance of either can cause rapid catastrophic failure (failure of the climate here would be runaway rapid warming)? What kind of odds would you give to the climate being that way?

It's too much estrogen for men to handle. Need to balance it out with Scott Kelly, a man's man.

This concerns me too. A society where someone like Trump is favored to win the presidency is not a healthy society.

If physics could describe logic, then could an alternate universe with different physics describe a different logical order? It would seem that logic would be the same, no matter what kinds of physics are in play.

Yeah, that is bait to get people to do free work on your theory. — Lionino

It's not hard to get people here to do your philo work. You don't need to offer them money. Just say, "hey, I have this neat new ethical theory. Try and rip it to shreds." And engage honestly and without ego.

Yeah, that is bait to get people to do free work on your theory. — Lionino

:lol:

What's the general beliefs here regarding Trump's culpability for the infamous events of January 6? — flannel jesus

I don't think Jan 6th happens unless Trump gives the speech he gave right before.

Do you think climate change, in the form of global warming caused by human activity, is an existential threat to the biosphere that we should be taking seriously?

Do you think this is correct?

"Air temperatures on Earth have been rising since the Industrial Revolution. While natural variability plays some part, the preponderance of evidence indicates that human activities—particularly emissions of heat-trapping greenhouse gases—are mostly responsible for making our planet warmer.

According to an ongoing temperature analysis led by scientists at NASA’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS), the average global temperature on Earth has increased by at least 1.1° Celsius (1.9° Fahrenheit) since 1880. The majority of the warming has occurred since 1975, at a rate of roughly 0.15 to 0.20°C per decade."

https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/world-of-change/global-temperatures#:~:text

The NYT argued Biden should step aside because he might lose to Trump, not for any democratic reason. — NOS4A2

There is no "democratic reason" for Biden to step aside, except maybe that 70% of Democrats wanting him gone, but that wasn't the Times' point. The NYTimes wants him out because he's in such bad shape:

"The president appeared on Thursday night as the shadow of a great public servant. He struggled to explain what he would accomplish in a second term. He struggled to respond to Mr. Trump’s provocations. He struggled to hold Mr. Trump accountable for his lies, his failures and his chilling plans. More than once, he struggled to make it to the end of a sentence."

Which was my point. This isn't just about polls. Biden is unfit.

What do you mean by "his party"? Liberal media like CNN, MSNBC, NYTimes is certainly a big part of the Democratic party.

His party is telling him to step aside because he’s doing bad in the polls, and for no other reason. — NOS4A2

No other reason? Do you think the NYTimes is telling him to drop out simply because he's "doing bad in the polls"? Biden is unfit to run. He's unfit to be president. The debate was horrifying.

Probably. But apparently there's some internal polling Democrats have that has convinced them Biden will not only lose, but cost them the House and Senate.

What's undemocratic about a candidate dropping out because of health reasons? Shit happens.

Nobody cares about Covid anymore. I doubt he even has it. I think he's holing up in preparation for dropping out this weekend. Maybe he'll say Covid convinced him he's too old to campaign.

https://www.nasa.gov/news-release/nasa-clocks-july-2023-as-hottest-month-on-record-ever-since-1880/

Do you think NASA is wrong?

Republicans were disciplined and did a good job tearing down Joe, but looks like it will be for naught.

Is a person who has no chance of winning a competitor? Aren't they, at that point, a spoiler?

These are the games the parties play to interfere with the will of the people being expressed. — Hanover

Right. I don't necessarily like Democrats trying to keep third parties off the ballot, but I know they're no different than any other political party that would do the same thing. The GOP would not hesitate to keep third parties of the ballot if they thought it would help their chances.

Jan 6th and the GOP's rallying around Trump after the stolen election drama are quite different, though. I like to think that in a parallel universe, where Trump is just as awful a person as he is now, but a champion of climate change, medicare-for-all, and high taxes on the rich, the Democrat party would still have nothing to do with him. What do you think?

One is a street level blue collar crime and the other an organized white collar crime. — Hanover

I'm not seeing anything criminal in Dems pursuing legal challenges.

I just found out who Amber Rose is. The Republican party has taken an odd turn.

almost always a sign of latent homosexuality
— Mikie

Strange though, is that supposed to be a bad thing? — Lionino

For a religious conservative? Yes.

You and I both know Trump would certainly sign a draft bill if Republicans sent it to him and the country was in dire straights. Supposing some Red Dawn type scenario, I would be in favor of a draft. Would you?

Do you think Trump would refuse to sign a draft bill if a Republican Congress sent him one?

We don't currently have a draft. That can change, of course, which is why men have to register for selective service. You have no problem with being forced to register for a draft?

So you have no problem with men having to register for selective service?

Register for Selective Service (the draft)
https://www.usa.gov/register-selective-service

The one we currently have where all 18 year old males have to register for selective service. You know, going to war because the government tells you to? You're saying Trump is against that?

Yes. People who think you should go to war because the government tells them to. — NOS4A2

Trump is against the draft? I know he's against drafting himself, but I haven't heard a peep from him about changing our draft policy.

Is there anything sadder than a draft dodger posing as a tough guy?

You think there's going to be a nuclear war?

Again, you are upset about words, something Sessions said on a right wing talk show. — fishfry

As you know, people go to prison all the time over "words". The words of the Attorney General matter, regardless of where he's talking. The whole country was upset by the zero-tolerance immigration policy (the action behind the words), which is why the policy ended just weeks after people found out. Discussing this with you is pointless. You're beclowning yourself now.

I think we have a duty to save a drowning child in the scenario I talked about. Why does that duty fade the further away the child is? If I can easily save a child by flying to a pond and rescuing them, don't I have an obligation to do so? If I have extra money and could save a child by sponsoring one through Save the Children, don't I have a moral duty to do so? Singer makes good points.

If you come across a child drowning and you have merely to reach out your hand and get your arm wet to save her, do you have a duty to do so? Are you acting immorally if you let her die?

Yeah, but I think animal rights will be near the top of the list.