• Gödel's Incompleteness Theorems Import on Natural Languages?
    ↪Shawn
    Very marginal, imho. Read Philosophical Investigations instead.
  • Israel killing civilians in Gaza and the West Bank
    Show me examples of when the weak are more oppressive than the strong. — BitconnectCarlos
    The unintelligent (i.e. weak-minded) often, occasionally even ubiquitiously, oppress the intelligent ... with (e.g.) pseudo-scientific nonsense, religious dogmas, conspiracy theories, ethno-nationalist demogoguery, PC/Woke-identitarian ideologies, etc. And afflicted by D-K as you seem to be, BC, you're obviously oblivious to the prevalence of such insidious forms of oppression. :mask:
  • Suicide
    ↪creativesoul
    :ok: If you say so ...
  • The Philosophy of Mysticism
    I think in many ways a philosopher is somewhat of a mystic, wouldn't you say? — Outlander
    In contrast to the philosopher who reflectively contemplates (i.e. unlearns 'learned denials of') how every presence conceals absence, I think the mystic meditates (i.e. unreasons (paradoxically / dialectically) 'inferential reasoning') in order to encounter, or surrender to, (the) absence that encompasses and dis/en-closes (un/en-folds) every presence. In other words, simplistically, they seem the opposite ends of a telescope or like complementary photo negatives of one another.
  • A Reversion to Aristotle
    I would hypothesize it is substantially influenced by Nietzschien thought. — Bob Ross
    :sweat: Maybe diagnosed, certainly not "influenced" ...

    ↪Apustimelogist
    :100:

    ↪Herg
    :up: :up:
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    When a clown moves into a palace, he does not become a king. The palace becomes a circus.
    — Elizabeth Bangs · Jan 23, 2022     — jorndoe
    :up: :up:

    ↪Tobias
    If you haven't already, please consider this
    ↪180 Proof
    .
  • To What Extent is the Idea of 'Non-duality' Useful in Bridging Between Theism and Atheism?
    Because belief in the supernatural is one type of delusional belief. In being logical one rejects all types of delusion. — Harry Hindu
    I (mostly) agree but, since the relevent context of this thread discussion implicitly concerns "religion" (and explicity and more broadly concerns metaphysics), I think anti-supernatural is more precise and specific than "anti-delusional" (or, as you said earlier, "rational/logical").
  • To What Extent is the Idea of 'Non-duality' Useful in Bridging Between Theism and Atheism?
    I think that anti-supernatural is too restrictive. — Harry Hindu
    Why do you think so?
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    ↪Benkei
    This summary legal analysis and discussion might be useful to understanding the practical impacts to Executive Branch (Article 2) of the 1July24 SCOTUS decision in the context of US legal and political history.

    https://youtu.be/7cGT9EVvS7U?si=08Vx04UGMrH18UZw
  • To What Extent is the Idea of 'Non-duality' Useful in Bridging Between Theism and Atheism?
    I see both materialism and idealism as being a bit limited and 'flat'. Non-dualism may be one option amongst others. — Jack Cummins
    Well, I think materialism (i.e. only 'the material' is real) is a form nondualism.

    Naturalism and realism can be seen as a radical departure from the idealism of Berkley.
    On the contrary, they preceeded Berkeley by millennia in both Western and Eastern philosophical traditions.

    the dual existence of mind and body or their embodied unity
    I.e. Descartes or Spinoza. The scientific description of the latter is embodied cognition (A. Damasio, G. Lakoff, T. Metzinger).

     
  • Israel killing civilians in Gaza and the West Bank
    Maybe a philosophy forum isn't for you. — Benkei
    :smirk:
  • Israel killing civilians in Gaza and the West Bank
    ↪BitconnectCarlos
    :lol: Go troll yourself, BitCunt.
  • Israel killing civilians in Gaza and the West Bank
    ↪BitconnectCarlos
    :eyes: :roll: :rofl:
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    Whaaaaaaat TF :brow: :down:

    https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/02/politics/trump-sentencing-date-delay-proposal/index.html

    Sentencing 11July24 18September24 :grimace:
  • Suicide
    If the person believes ... — creativesoul
    ... but does not know because she cannot know. Her mere "belief" – desperate guess – is an unwarranted hope, or fantasy (i.e. ideation¹) – thus, the "choice" to kill oneself might be valid and yet unsound; and often is unavoidable, even involuntary.

    suicide is not always irrational — creativesoul
    Perhaps, but my point is that suicide is always either unsound (choice) or involuntary (abject / pathological).

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicidal_ideation [1]
  • To What Extent is the Idea of 'Non-duality' Useful in Bridging Between Theism and Atheism?
    What does theism mean by "separate from" if it still can affect its creation? — Harry Hindu
    Well, at best, theism is incoherent.

    What type of connection is it between a cause and its subsequent effects - physical, idealistic, something else or none of the above?
    "Idealistic" (i.e. supernatural).

    Would it not be a naturalistic stance to take to say that because God has a causal relationship with its creation that God is natural?
    Yes. However, theism posits a supernatural creator of nature, which is incoherent.

    There simply isn't any valid evidence to support any of these claims .. reasonable/logical?
    I prefer anti-supernatural (though absurdist (Zapffe-Camus) would do).
  • To What Extent is the Idea of 'Non-duality' Useful in Bridging Between Theism and Atheism?
    ↪Jack Cummins
    A stray thought ...

    Insofar as theism posits a creator separate from, though affecting, its creation (duality), atheism means rejection of theism (non-duality), no?

    Likewise, if idealism posits both minds and ideas (duality), then materialism posits that only 'matter' is real (non-duality)?

    Perhaps idealism and materialism are also, in effect, generalizations of theism and atheism, respectively. :chin:

    (NB: In my case over forty years ago, materialism (subset of naturalism) was a consequence of atheism rather than the other way round.)
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    ↪Benkei
    :cool:

    ↪Benkei
    :up:
  • US Election 2024 (All general discussion)
    A republic, if you can keep it. — Benjamin Franklin
    ↪180 Proof
    :fire: :mask:
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    Addendum to
    ↪180 Proof


    Well, when the president does it, that means it is not illegal. — former president Richard Nixon, interview 1977


    ... for fuck's sake, like Rome, the Pax Americana has finally explicitly devolved from republic to dictatorship. :brow:
  • Can the existence of God be proved?
    Whether we opt for the magic space wizard or the leader of the glorious revolution, we're probably fucked. — Tom Storm
    :up:
  • Gödel's ontological proof of God
    God's words are infinitely more puissant than mine. He can speak me into existence, allegedly, but I cannot return the favour, and nor can Gödel. — unenlightened
    :fire: :up:
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    ↪NOS4A2
    :lol:
  • To What Extent is the Idea of 'Non-duality' Useful in Bridging Between Theism and Atheism?
    ↪Jack Cummins
    You've misread me (so far): I'm saying that "duality" (or "the split" as you call it) is only an epistemological issue that's been mistaken for – incoherently reified into – ontology. As for your doubts of naturalism, Jack, I hope the (last) 2 links in my previous post provide you with some (more) food for thought that is both "theoretical", as you say, and also, more significantly, existential-pragmatic.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    ↪NOS4A2
    Obviously, NOS, you have not yet thought through how the MAGA Six Justices just gave Dark Brandon a get out jail free card! If the MAGA caucus in Congress tries to impeach POTUS, "The King" can order any or all of those morons rounded-up and shot before the vote to impeach even happens. :mask:
  • US Election 2024 (All general discussion)
    1July24

    SCOTUS rules, in effect, that POTUS is a "King" with Absolute Immunity from criminal prosecution for Official Acts.

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/trump-supreme-court-immunity-1.7251423

    So, as an official act of National Security, POTUS aka "King Joseph I" SHOULD "decree" by Executive Order (A) immediately strip US citizenship and Secret Service protection from, (B) immediately freeze and then seize all domestic and foreign assets from, and (C) immediately incarcerate in The Guantanamo Bay Detention Camp Trump and his MAGA gang of January 6 & Russian Collusion co-conspirators indefinitely.

    But will "King Joseph I" do this?

    No. Even though, as of today, it's (apparently) legal for POTUS to do so. :angry:
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    1July24

    SCOTUS rules, in effect, that POTUS is a "King" with Absolute Immunity from criminal prosecution for Official Acts.

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/trump-supreme-court-immunity-1.7251423

    So, as an official act of National Security, POTUS aka "King Joseph I" SHOULD "decree" by Executive Order (A) immediately strip US citizenship and Secret Service protection from, (B) immediately freeze and then seize all domestic and foreign assets from, and (C) immediately incarcerate in The Guantanamo Bay Detention Camp Trump and his MAGA gang of January 6 & Russian Collusion co-conspirators indefinitely.

    But will "King Joseph I" do this?

    No. Even though, as of today, it's (apparently) legal for POTUS to do so. :angry:
  • US Election 2024 (All general discussion)
    ↪Benkei
    No.
  • Can the existence of God be proved?
    ↪bert1
    :halo: :up:
  • To What Extent is the Idea of 'Non-duality' Useful in Bridging Between Theism and Atheism?
    I wonder to what extent such a non-dualistic viewpoint offers a solution to the split between materialism and idealism, as well as between atheism and theism. [ ... ] I am focusing on the idea of non-duality and asking do you see the idea as helpful or not in your philosophical understanding, especially in relation to the concept of God? — Jack Cummins
    "Non-duality", like monism, I don't find as "helpful" (i.e. incisive) as double-aspect theory¹ (e.g. Spinoza's mind-body parallelism of Substance/God) because I assume "the split" is epistemic – different, complementary ways of describing the same entity – but not ontological.

    I also think "materialism and idealism" or "atheism and theism" are logical negations of one another and yet each is consistent with – dependent on – any of the monist, dualist, pluralist or non-dual ontologies. IMO, "a non-dualistic viewpoint" doesn't "solve" these logical negations (i.e. "the split"), only denies-ignores them.

    Do you believe in the existence of 'God?
    No. I'm a pandeist²

    Do you support a philosophy of idealism?
    No. I'm a naturalist³



    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double-aspect_theory [1]

    https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/718054 [2]

    https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/871001 [3]a

    https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/800071 [3]b
  • Is atheism illogical?
    I say, the logical concept of god is what is logically possible to each and any given individual person, based on that individual's experiences. — Pantagruel
    I've no quarrel with that. Of course folks are entitled to their own idiosyncratic, placebo-fetish (i.e. cosmic lollipop) of choice. My quarrel is, however, with theistic deities of religion: they are demonstrable fictions, and therefore, it's not "illogical" to reject them as facts (i.e. real, intentional agents).

    ... the possible existence of "god" ... at the logical-conceptual level ...
    And this depends on which "concept of god" is at issue, doesn't it? In sum, clarify your "god-concept" (my preferred conception is
    ↪180 Proof
    ).
  • To What Extent is the Idea of 'Non-duality' Useful in Bridging Between Theism and Atheism?
    idealism and belief in God. I wonder are the two connected as philosophical ideas? — Jack Cummins
    No. No. And yes I think they are "connected".

    (A proper response to come later.)
  • US Election 2024 (All general discussion)
    ↪jorndoe
    :sweat: :cry:
  • Can the existence of God be proved?
    He's assumed to exist. To be the ultimate cause behind natural events — BitconnectCarlos
    Yes, that's magical thinking (e.g. "The Great OZ" behing the curtain), or the cross-cultural god-of-the-gaps (i.e. appeal to ignorance) fallacy. More than "assumed", such a "God" is worshipped (ritually mass-deluding). Bronze & Iron Age religious traditions consecrated their naturalistic and moral ignorance by magically denying it and naming that supernatural denial "God". :sparkle: :eyes: :pray:
    .
  • Can the existence of God be proved?
    my view the idea of God — JuanZu
    Pardon, but I'm concerned with a social "view of the idea of God" preached in religious traditions and actually worshipped (i.e. idolized) by congregants. It's this totalitarian "view of idea of God" that significantly affects cultures and politics and pacifies collective existential angst (e.g. excuses social scapegoating, martyrdom, holy warfare, missionary imperialism, etc) rather than anyone's speculative "view of the idea of God" (such as yours, JuanZu, or my own
    ↪180 Proof
    ).

    What is the need for God? — Ali Hosein
    Fear of the unknown (ergo 'god-of-the-gaps'), or uncertainty (i.e. angst).

    Is God a legacy of the past that remains to this day?
    It is atavistic like ghosts (or shadows), "a legacy" of every human's infancy: magical thinking.

    Or is it a natural concept that will remain with humans forever?
    "God" is a supernatural fantasy (i.e. fetish-idol ... cosmic lollipop) that many, clearly not all, thoughtful and/or well-educated humans outgrow.

    Is man able to solve the "problem of God"?
    I suppose solving the problem of mortality (or scarcity) will consequently dissolve "the problem of God" (i.e. this may be the meaning of humans expelled from "Eden" in order to keep us from eating from the "Tree of Life" so that we "know death" and "fear God" (re: Genesis 3:22)).
  • Can the existence of God be proved?
    ↪bert1
    Scientists and scientifically literate persons do not misuse (misinterpret) physical laws that way – and obviously, bert, you're neither a scientist nor scientifically literate if you believe nature's regularities / structures are "inexplicable" (akin to supernatural mysteries ... miracles, woo-of-the-gaps, etc).
  • Can the existence of God be proved?
    [physical] laws themselves are taken to be brute and inexplicable, no? — bert1
    No. Physical laws are mathematical (computable) generalizations of precisely observed regularities or structures in nature and they are only descriptive (constraints), not themselves explanatory (theories).
  • US Election 2024 (All general discussion)
    US elections are for Democrats to lose or win. — Benkei
    :up:
  • Can the existence of God be proved?
    Why do we believe that God is something that can be proven? — JuanZu
    I suppose this is reasonably assumed whenever "God" is ascribed (according to tradition, scripture, doctrine, testimony) properties, or predicates, which entail changes to the observable universe: those "God"-unique changes either are evident or they are absent, ergo "God" so described either exists or does not exist, no?
  • The essence of religion
    What an incorrigible bunch of idiots. — Tarskian
    :roll: :sweat:
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