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  • Why Not Nothing?_Answered
    Not-nothing aka "something" is, so to speak, a ripple in nothing. As Frank Wilczek points out "Nothing is unstable" (e.g. quantum uncertainty), ergo there's always "something" (existence) too.

    ... a world equal to nothing is impossible
    :up: I.e. nothing-ness (or total absence of possible worlds).
  • Why Not Nothing?_Answered
    Do you see errors?ucarr
    I see an argument wherein an argument is not needed.
  • Cosmos Created Mind
    So the Real World is an "evolving structure" that has existed forever, cycling but never beginning or ending.Gnomon
    This story makes more sense – is more consistent with quantum cosmological evidence (as well as e.g. Spinoza's, Epicurus' & Laozi's spectulations) – than any of the other cosmogenic alternatives.

    Does that sound like a reasonable alternative to the current scientific evidence that space-time [false vacuum collapse] suddenly exploded from a mathematical point into a complex [spacetime]?
    It's not an "alternative"; (metaphorical) BBT might be just (our) observation-limit of the most recent phase-transition (i.e. symmetry-breaking event 13.81 billion years ago) in the "cycling" "evolving structure" of the universe.

    Does forever causation make the Hard Problem of human consciousness irrelevant?
    Well, that's a pseudo-problem at most (i.e. faux-epistemological fodder for woo-of-the-gaps idealists), so it's not even "irrelevant". :yawn:
  • Why Not Nothing?_Answered
    "Existence" as such is presupposed and not proven. "Why not nothing?" As I've pointed out already, (because) nothing negates existence or prevents (its) occurrence. Besides, "the cogito" is neither sound nor a proof. In so far as existence is a brute fact (i.e. eternal and infinite ~Spinoza, Epicurus, Laozi), a 'transcendent creator deity' necessarily is nothing more than a conceptually incoherent fiction (~Feuerbach et al) living rent free in the minds of religious believers & magical thinkers. :sparkle:

    However, if I am wrong (What does a pragmatic anti-supernationalist like me know anyway?), ucarr, soundly refute these three implicit points . :chin:
  • Why Not Nothing?_Answered
    "Religion is the opium of the masses" - Karl Marx.

    "Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful," - Roman Stoic philosopher Seneca the Younger (c. 4 BC–AD 65).

    Most ideas that come from Abrahamic religions start with an idea that supports the belief that God exists and then uses weak logic to support it. [ ... ] Since theism rests solely on smoke, mirrors, and blind faith for it to work, it can be be dismissed ...
    dclements
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  • Idealism Simplified
    At minimum, 'idealism' implies (A) that brains are 'not mind-independent' and (B) that (a priori) 'minds are substances' rather than what brains do.
  • Cosmos Created Mind
    Ever a drunk in recovery/reflection, I'll drink to your fact-based, autopoietic story. :up:
  • Why Not Nothing?_Answered
    [C]omplexities arise in steps from that simplex; the supposed 'God' is a complexity and thus cannot be First.PoeticUniverse
    :up: :up:

    :eyes: wtf ...
  • Why Not Nothing?_Answered
    Formalism are vacuous and irrelevent with respect to claims about the (non-abstract) world.

    Cite a non-trivial example of a nonfictional religious text.

    Also, provide nonsubjective truth-makers for the following sine qua non truth-claims of theism:
    (1) at least one mystery
    (2) created the whole of existence and
    (3) causes changes to (i.e. intervenes in) the universe in a way that is nomologically impossible for natural agents or natural forces (re: "miracles").
  • Idealism Simplified
    The idealists collapse epistemology and ontology [what is known is equivalent to what there is], claiming there is no substantive distinction between the two, while the materialists maintain a substantive distinction [what is known is a fraction of, or exhausted by, what there is].Janus
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  • Why Not Nothing?_Answered
    I fail to see your point.
  • Cosmos Created Mind
    And why do you too ignore the Planck energy density that came with the radius?apokrisis
    Why do you ask?
  • Cosmos Created Mind
    Do you think the universe is eternal & self-existent?Gnomon
    Ockham the Barber says "Yes".

    Or do you accept the Cosmological evidence indicating that Nature as-we-know-it had a sudden inexplicable beginning [planck radius]?
    Of course.

    :smirk:
  • Why Not Nothing?_Answered
    Are you now saying theism, instead of being invalid, presents as unintelligible nonsense?
    — ucarr
    No. Why do you ask?
    — 180 Proof

    Let me quote you:

    God will not be completely understood.
    — ucarr
    X#÷^@WVH isn't "completely understood" either.
    — 180 Proof
    ucarr
    Well, I don't see how your question is warranted by – addresses – my reply.
  • Why Not Nothing?_Answered
    When you propound your anti-theism, are you wont to say theistic texts are gibberish?ucarr
    I'm not aware of any religious texts (scriptures) which are not, at least, demonstrable fictions..

    I've heard your claim theism is empty. Voiding the claims of theism seeks to expose its logical errors, doesn't it?
    Incoherences and falsities.

    Establishing the falsehood of a narrative requires a discernible meaning with a supporting argument with underlying premises.
    It only requires showing that theistic truth-claims lack sufficient truth-makers.

    Are you now saying theism, instead of being invalid, presents as unintelligible nonsense?
    No. Why do you ask?
  • Comparing religious and scientific worldviews
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    Summary

    Every major religion offers mutually exclusive [non]explanations of the universe’s origin, purpose, and future.

    Science, using observation, testing, and revision, provides a consistent and independently verifiable [testable] picture:

    Universe: 13.8 billion years old

    Earth: 4.54 billion years old

    Life evolved gradually through natural processes

    Consciousness arises from neurological activities, not supernatural souls.

    Therefore, while religious faiths differ irreconcilably in beliefs, scientific cosmology and biology converge on a single evidence-based worldview - one that continues to expand through discovery rather than divine decree.

    Hence, my worldview is scientific, secular and vegan.
    Truth Seeker
    :100:

    What is your worldview?
    "My worldview" consists of (A) anti-supernatural, (B) anti-authoritarian/sectarian/utopian, and (C) anti-dogmatic commitments (i.e. constraints) ...

    (2022)
    https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/798898

    How do you justify your worldview?
    I think 'pragmatic absurdism' (re: Laozi ... Zapffe, Camus, Rosset) best describes my day to day existential stance.
  • Idealism Simplified
    ... and we [material sentients in/directly] observe that everything [materiality ~ "swirling atoms"] is active and changing.Metaphysician Undercover
    :victory: :smirk:
  • Math Faces God
    I’m skeptical of grand narratives and the tendency to claim certainty or authority in areas where we lack real [knowledge]. When I say I am a fan of uncertainty, I refer to being content to say, "I don't [or we can't] know".Tom Storm
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  • Cosmos Created Mind
    I like the brain-as-receiver model.
    — AmadeusD

    The fact that it is a standard symptom of schizophrenia ought give pause for thought.
    apokrisis
    :smirk:
  • Why Not Nothing?_Answered
    That there is stuff is still no more than a brute fact.Banno
    :up:
  • Why Not Nothing?_Answered
    God will not be completely understood.ucarr
    X#÷^@WVH isn't "completely understood" either.

    Why not nothing?
    Maybe because "nothing" stops something from coming-to-be, etc.
  • Ethics of practicality - How "useful" is uselessness/inefficancy?
    An alternative to feeling good, there is feeling at peaceT Clark
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  • Math Faces God
    I’d put it this way: I’m not concerned with discovering some final or objective truth about reality. The idea that such a truth lies hidden, waiting to be uncovered, depends on a representational view of knowledge I find unconvincing. My position isn’t based on logic or simplicity, but on the sense that our ways of thinking and speaking are practical tools for getting by, not exact reflections of the world. Speculative metaphysics adds nothing to that. I simply go on treating the world and my experiences as real, because that’s the only way any of us can make sense of it and act within it.Tom Storm
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  • Cosmos Created Mind
    ... a kind of cosmic rationale for the existence of life, rather than seeing it as a kind of fluke of biochemistry.Wayfarer
    Yet (any) "cosmic rationale" itself is merely a "fluke of" [the gaps]. There's no getting away from (some kind of) a fundamental "fluke" – I prefer one that is scientific, however, rather than merely mythic / mystical.

    Teleology is heresy for [irrelevant to] Materialists [antisupernaturalists], but may be unavoidable for IdealistsGnomon
    This is because "materialists" do not mistake – equate – their maps with the territory whereas "idealists" tend to do so (i.e. ontologize, or reify, ideas/ideals).
  • The Predicament of Modernity
    Yes, the only possibility for a return to universally shared life purpose is totalitarian.Janus
    :meh:
  • Ennea
    Heart is core ... the essential, central part of beingDogbert
    – does not "transcend" being anymore than the center of the Earth "transcends" the Earth. Only not-X (nonbeing) "transcends" X (being).
  • Is all belief irrational?
    Conclusion ∴ All belief is irrational.Millard J Melnyk
    Believing all belief is irrational, is irrational.Banno
    :snicker: Ninja'd.
  • Cosmos Created Mind
    strictly philosophical.
    — Wayfarer

    If by strictly philosophical, you mean free to just make shit up, then of course guilty as charged now. I don’t take that intellectual liberty. The facts constrain me.
    apokrisis
    :smirk: :up:
  • The purpose of philosophy
    If trans gender is not a philosophical issue, nothing is.Philosophim
    Well, at lease since Parmenides, "nothing" certainly is a "philosophical issue", we agree on that much.
  • Is all belief irrational?
    [4] Insisting on an idea’s truth beyond the limits of its epistemic warrant is irrational.

    Conclusion ∴ All belief is irrational.
    Millard J Melnyk
    The conclusion doesn't follow: hasty generalization fallacy (at least).
  • Ennea
    the transcendent heartDogbert
    Sorry, more evocative gibberish – "heart" cannot transcend – your analogy makes even less sense now.
  • Idealism Simplified
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    Our metaphysical conclusions should be derived from, and not stray away from, the whole of the pre-reflective experience that linguistically mediated reflectivity is parasitic upon. Otherwise we land in a "hall of mirrors".Janus
    :100:
  • Ennea
    fully transcends existenceDogbert
    – is only nonexistence.
  • Ennea
    :smirk:
  • Ennea
    Thus, to avoid circularity, it is necessary to posit a transcendent ground of being.
    — Dogbert

    This is such poor thinking it beggars belief.
    Banno
    :100:

    Imagine a mountain that is the tallest in the world.Dogbert
    Everest is the tallest mountain on Earth. Olympus Mons, which is on Mars, is over three times taller – neither are "the tallest" possible mountain, so your analogy fails. "Transcendent" only means beyond or exterior to and not (the) absolute limit; ergo "transcendent ground" is like the illusion / horizon of "the largest number" (or "final number") and therefore is surpassable (i.e. Cantor's set theory proves there are infinitely many larger infinities).