:up: I.e. nothing-ness (or total absence of possible worlds).... a world equal to nothing is impossible
I see an argument wherein an argument is not needed.Do you see errors? — ucarr
This story makes more sense – is more consistent with quantum cosmological evidence (as well as e.g. Spinoza's, Epicurus' & Laozi's spectulations) – than any of the other cosmogenic alternatives.So the Real World is an "evolving structure" that has existed forever, cycling but never beginning or ending. — Gnomon
It's not an "alternative"; (metaphorical) BBT might be just (our) observation-limit of the most recent phase-transition (i.e. symmetry-breaking event 13.81 billion years ago) in the "cycling" "evolving structure" of the universe.Does that sound like a reasonable alternative to the current scientific evidence thatspace-time[false vacuum collapse] suddenly explodedfrom a mathematical pointinto a complex [spacetime]?
Well, that's a pseudo-problem at most (i.e. faux-epistemological fodder for woo-of-the-gaps idealists), so it's not even "irrelevant". :yawn:Does forever causation make the Hard Problem of human consciousness irrelevant?
:up: :up:"Religion is the opium of the masses" - Karl Marx.
"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful," - Roman Stoic philosopher Seneca the Younger (c. 4 BC–AD 65).
Most ideas that come from Abrahamic religions start with an idea that supports the belief that God exists and then uses weak logic to support it. [ ... ] Since theism rests solely on smoke, mirrors, andblindfaith for it to work, it can be be dismissed ... — dclements
:up: :up:[C]omplexities arise in steps from that simplex; the supposed 'God' is a complexity and thus cannot be First. — PoeticUniverse
:roll:'Idealism' is not ancient. — Wayfarer
:up: :up:The idealists collapse epistemology and ontology [what is known is equivalent to what there is], claiming there is no substantive distinction between the two, while the materialists maintain a substantive distinction [what is known is a fraction of, or exhausted by, what there is]. — Janus
Why do you ask?And why do you too ignore the Planck energy density that came with the radius? — apokrisis
Ockham the Barber says "Yes".Do you think the universe is eternal & self-existent? — Gnomon
Of course.Or do you accept the Cosmological evidence indicating that Nature as-we-know-it had asudden inexplicable beginning[planck radius]?
Well, I don't see how your question is warranted by – addresses – my reply.Are you now saying theism, instead of being invalid, presents as unintelligible nonsense?
— ucarr
No. Why do you ask?
— 180 Proof
Let me quote you:
God will not be completely understood.
— ucarr
X#÷^@WVH isn't "completely understood" either.
— 180 Proof — ucarr
I'm not aware of any religious texts (scriptures) which are not, at least, demonstrable fictions..When you propound your anti-theism, are you wont to say theistic texts are gibberish? — ucarr
Incoherences and falsities.I've heard your claim theism is empty. Voiding the claims of theism seeks to expose its logical errors, doesn't it?
It only requires showing that theistic truth-claims lack sufficient truth-makers.Establishing the falsehood of a narrative requires a discernible meaning with a supporting argument with underlying premises.
No. Why do you ask?Are you now saying theism, instead of being invalid, presents as unintelligible nonsense?
:100:Summary
Every major religion offers mutually exclusive [non]explanations of the universe’s origin, purpose, and future.
Science, using observation, testing, and revision, provides a consistent and independentlyverifiable[testable] picture:
Universe: 13.8 billion years old
Earth: 4.54 billion years old
Life evolved gradually through natural processes
Consciousness arises from neurological activities, not supernatural souls.
Therefore, while religious faiths differ irreconcilably in beliefs, scientific cosmology and biology converge on a single evidence-based worldview - one that continues to expand through discovery rather than divine decree.
Hence, myworldviewis scientific, secular and vegan. — Truth Seeker
"MyWhat is yourworldview?
I think 'pragmatic absurdism' (re: Laozi ... Zapffe, Camus, Rosset) best describes my day to day existential stance.How do you justify yourworldview?
:victory: :smirk:... and we [material sentients in/directly] observe that everything [materiality ~ "swirling atoms"] is active and changing. — Metaphysician Undercover
:up: :up:I’m skeptical of grand narratives and the tendency to claim certainty or authority in areas where we lack real [knowledge]. When I say I am a fan of uncertainty, I refer to being content to say, "I don't [or we can't] know". — Tom Storm
:smirk:I like the brain-as-receiver model.
— AmadeusD
The fact that it is a standard symptom of schizophrenia ought give pause for thought. — apokrisis
X#÷^@WVH isn't "completely understood" either.God will not be completely understood. — ucarr
Maybe because "nothing" stops something from coming-to-be, etc.Why not nothing?
:100:An alternative to feeling good, there is feeling at peace — T Clark
:fire: :up:I’d put it this way: I’m not concerned with discovering some final or objective truth about reality. The idea that such a truth lies hidden, waiting to be uncovered, depends on a representational view of knowledge I find unconvincing. My position isn’t based on logic or simplicity, but on the sense that our ways of thinking and speaking are practical tools for getting by, not exact reflections of the world. Speculative metaphysics adds nothing to that. I simply go on treating the world and my experiences as real, because that’s the only way any of us can make sense of it and act within it. — Tom Storm
Yet (any) "cosmic rationale" itself is merely a "fluke of" [the gaps]. There's no getting away from (some kind of) a fundamental "fluke" – I prefer one that is scientific, however, rather than merely mythic / mystical.... a kind of cosmic rationale for the existence of life, rather than seeing it as a kind of fluke of biochemistry. — Wayfarer
This is because "materialists" do not mistake – equate – their maps with the territory whereas "idealists" tend to do so (i.e. ontologize, or reify, ideas/ideals).Teleology isheresy for[irrelevant to] Materialists [antisupernaturalists], but may be unavoidable for Idealists — Gnomon
:meh:Yes, the only possibility for a return to universally shared life purpose is totalitarian. — Janus
Conclusion ∴ All belief is irrational. — Millard J Melnyk
:snicker: Ninja'd.Believing all belief is irrational, is irrational. — Banno
:smirk: :up:strictly philosophical.
— Wayfarer
If by strictly philosophical, you mean free to just make shit up, then of course guilty as charged now. I don’t take that intellectual liberty. The facts constrain me. — apokrisis
Well, at lease since Parmenides, "nothing" certainly is a "philosophical issue", we agree on that much.If trans gender is not a philosophical issue, nothing is. — Philosophim
The conclusion doesn't follow: hasty generalization fallacy (at least).[4] Insisting on an idea’s truth beyond the limits of its epistemic warrant is irrational.
Conclusion ∴ All belief is irrational. — Millard J Melnyk
:100:Our metaphysical conclusions should be derived from, and not stray away from, the whole of the pre-reflective experience that linguistically mediated reflectivity is parasitic upon. Otherwise we land in a "hall of mirrors". — Janus
:100:Thus, to avoid circularity, it is necessary to posit a transcendent ground of being.
— Dogbert
This is such poor thinking it beggars belief. — Banno
Everest is the tallest mountain on Earth. Olympus Mons, which is on Mars, is over three times taller – neither are "the tallest" possible mountain, so your analogy fails. "Transcendent" only means beyond or exterior to and not (the) absolute limit; ergo "transcendent ground" is like the illusion / horizon of "the largest number" (or "final number") and therefore is surpassable (i.e. Cantor's set theory proves there are infinitely many larger infinities).Imagine a mountain that is the tallest in the world. — Dogbert
