My understanding is that it’s the view that moral facts, if they exist, are grounded in natural facts about the world[humans, fauna & flora] rather than in anything supernatural or non-natural. — Tom Storm

[M]y moral thinking doesn't generally extend beyond my own mind and behaviour — AmadeusD

When observing ourselves, we are observing a puppet moving as though it is alive. Its aliveness is sustained by a complex process of actualisation which is hidden from us, unconscious. So we are only viewing an apparently conscious puppet. But because the puppet is a highly real projection, we think it is real, alive and inexplicable, it seems to have a life of its own. We are not aware of what makes it alive, which is behind the scenes, a complex biological machine. — Punshhh

Do you know the power of a machine made of a trillion moving parts? ... We're not just robots. We're robots, made of robots, made of robots. ~Daniel Dennett — 180 Proof

Organisms are self organizing in a way no machine can be. — Wayfarer

↪180 Proof asserts that Formal or Mathematical Logic is the arbiter of true/false questions. — Gnomon

But philosophy is supposed to be a search for Wisdom ...

Consequently, in my humble opinion, bivalent (two-value) reasoning has no place on an informal forum like this, where we ask not-what-is-true-or-false, but what-is-meaningful in a specific situation.

I tried to explain to myself why philosophy does not deal in yes-no questions. — Gnomon

I don't know why he wastes time actually reading my posts on topics that seem to viscerally upset him.

Some are temperamentally drawn to religious ideas, others are temperamentally averse to them. — Wayfarer

Fuzzy logic and paraconsistent logic ARE algorithmic - it's feasible to program these. The programmming could keep it predictable (a given input will necessarily produce the same output), or randomness could be introduced.

Neither of these processes is inconsistent with standard 1st order logic. Standard logic is a special case of fuzzy logic with each premise assigned a 100% certainty. — Relativist

180s suggesting that there are in-built moral ground rules is not tenable. — AmadeusD

180's god-like[immanentist] view is... — Gnomon

Because [bearing] is subjective and subject to the whims of an individual or group, and placing [bearing] over sex in matters of importance matches the definition of [delusion]. — Philosophim

Neils Bohr as a wishy-washy woo-purveyor
— Gnomon

Thats exactly what he was! — Apustimelogist

Depending on how you look at it ... — Wayfarer

The "logical fallacy" of a two-value (right/wrong) posturing is ... — Gnomon

... the arrogant presumption of absolute knowledge.

Niels Bohr ... regarded the 'complementarity principle' as the most important philosophical[scientific] discovery of his life. — Wayfarer

... impossible to know fully while in[side] a living body. — Jack Cummins

... many see science as dismissive of 'spirit ... — Jack Cummins

All hail the Golden Dawn — frank

In a way, quantum physics allows for dismiss[al] of the fabric of materialism [physicalism] or its reinterpretation. — Jack Cummins

reality is not purely [natural]

... it is possible that consciousness is not entirely dependent on the physicality of the body as the apparatus.

... the old folk who complained most about old age were likely the same folk who began whinging in their teens and never stopped. — Tom Storm

what has gotten better is my ability to live with depression — Moliere

@Gnomon I'm in agreement with your 'both-and' type of attitude. The 'either-or' dilemma is something stamped firmly into [Rational] consciousness. — Wayfarer

Anyone who denies the law of non-contradiction should be beaten and burned until he admits that to be beaten is not the same as not to be beaten, and to be burned is not the same as not to be burned. — Ibn Sina, d. 1037 CE

My ... amateur non-dual holistic [sophistry] ... dilettante dabblings ... autodidactic personal [woo-woo] — Gnomon

I accept physicalism as inference to best explanation - it accounts for all known facts, more parsimoniously than alternatives, with the fewest ad hoc assumptions ... You [@Wayfarer] have neither falsified physicalism nor proposed a theory that is arguably a better explanation, so you have given me no reason to change my view. — Relativist

... my philosophical exploration is currently reconnoitering the margins of Quantum Mysticism. — Gnomon

Not sure I fully understand this - are you saying that we all have an inbuilt awareness that needless harm and suffering are bad, and this functions as a basic starting point for morality? And that moral claims are justified when they express obligations that flow from that fact and when they guide us toward reducing needless harm? — Tom Storm

I am just wary of drawing discursive conclusions from those altered states [hallucinations, dreams, traumas]. — Janus

nihilism, on the one side (under which materialism falls) — Wayfarer

On this view if you see a slaveholder you could rationally engage them by saying, "If you agree that freedom is an ultimate value then it is wrong for you to hold slaves," but it would not be rational to simply say, "It is wrong for you to hold slaves." On such a view there can be hypothetical imperatives but not non-hypothetical imperatives. — Leontiskos

I’m interested in how members view the role of foundational knowledge or principles in the justification of moral claims. — Tom Storm

natural telos — Tom Storm

As someone quipped "no matter, never mind". — Janus

There are several books that use quantum physics to explain spirituality. — Athena

I'd like to dedicate this album to 180 Proof. You are the only black person from the USA with whom I have interacted. — javi2541997

Have you ever attended a Richard Pryor show or listened to his performances?

Do you think that the name of the title might be offensive out of its context?

atheists, who oppose spirituality. — Athena

The connection is made with the heart.

the position of gratefulness. Being grateful is a heart thing — Athena

The division between the secular and 'spirituality' is complex. — Jack Cummins

Is consciousness still evolving and to what extent is this bound up with development of the inner life? — Jack Cummins

I am wondering if spirituality will be significant in the future of consciousness.

So what's your solution? — Outlander

Do you think the biological process necessarily leads to sapience in all cases; if so, what are your reasons? — NotAristotle

Chapter 1

The Tao that can be told is not the eternal Tao.
The name that can be named is not the eternal name.
The nameless is the beginning of heaven and earth.
The named is the mother of ten thousand things.

Chapter 42

The Tao begot one.
One begot two.
Two begot three.
And three begot the ten thousand things.

The ten thousand things carry yin and embrace yang.
They achieve harmony by combining these forces. — Tao Te Ching, 4th century BCE

The first principles of the universe are atoms and empty space; everything else is merely thought to exist.

World is decay, life is perception.

By convention sweet and by convention bitter, by convention hot, by convention cold, by convention color; but in reality only atoms and void. — Democritus of Abdera, d. 380 BCE

metaphysical naturalism — Wayfarer

My objection: it's irrelevant that our descriptions of objects is mind-dependent- because it's logically necessary that they be so. What is relevant is whether or not the descriptions MAP to reality (i.e. it corresponds). — Relativist

What physicalism wants to do ... Physicalism forgets ... That is precisely what physicalism does ... — Wayfarer