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  • What are your plans for the 10th anniversary of TPF?
    Happy 10th anniversary, folks. :wink:javi2541997
    Gracias, señor.
  • What is right and what is wrong and how do we know?
    What do you mean by "God is a moral concept"? (or by "moral concept' itself?)
  • What is right and what is wrong and how do we know?
    [God] is a moral concept ...Constance
    Please explain.

    If “God” is a moral concept, then its worth must be judged by the moral outcomes it inspires. A concept that sanctifies fear, tribalism, or subservience fails on its own moral grounds.Truth Seeker
    :up: :up:

    Whether “God” is a phenomenological boundary-concept or an anthropomorphic myth, the question remains: What does belief in this fiction do to sentient beings? Does it cultivate compassion, or sanctify domination?Truth Seeker
    :fire:

    Clearly, "God" infantilizes adults (e.g. Kierkegaard's teleological suspension of the ethical aka "holy ends justify any means").

    Please, can you give me a salient example where a decision has been made on good or evil that is not based on political expediency.Pieter R van Wyk
    Consider: decisions risking their own lives to hide runaway slaves from a posse of slavers or to hide Jews / homosexuals from gangs of Nazis ... or families of murder victims opposing the
    executions of their murderers ...
  • Do you think AI is going to be our downfall?
    It may be that our role on this planet is not to worship God – but to [build it]. — Arthur C. Clarke

    Like chatbox 'romance', another omen of our impending "AI downfall" –

    https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20251016-people-are-using-ai-to-talk-to-god :sweat:

    @Jack Cummins @Wayfarer
  • The Mind-Created World
    PSA reminder: Contra the incoherent speculations of idealists, mind-body dualists and mysterians, "mind" is not what it seems to itself – subjective first-person perspective – to be (e.g. like a sphere drawn on paper (i.e. a representation) seems only a 2-D circle) by which a map – how things seem (e.g. "mind") – is intuitively mistaken for the terrain – how things are (i.e. facts, nomological constraints) ...
  • The integration of science and religion
    Not the TRUE reality.Copernicus
    In contrast to the FALSE reality? :roll:
  • The integration of science and religion
    'religion & science' are non-overlapping magisteria (NOMA)180 Proof
    E.g. religions indoctrinate "we don't know this or that g/G (woo) must have created / caused this or commands us to obey that" contrary to sciences which demonstrate "we don't know this or that yet until we learn (i.e. critically self-correct) more and more about the what and the how of this or that" – the latter requires and the former discourages defeasible thinking. :mask:
  • On how to learn philosophy
    Some TPF posters are offended by my unorthodox views, but most accept a bit of oddity as typical of independent thinkers.
    — Gnomon

    Not always offended, but puzzled that you would be resistant to learning of the philosophers and scientists already saying much the same thing in a more nailed down fashion.
    apokrisis
    :up: :up:

    ... Or one can go the "independent" route which at best can only end up with you repeating the semi-obvious in a suitably obscure way.
    In @Gnomon's case: ... too often in a confused and un/mis-informed way (i.e. full of woo-woo).

    My current "research" is mostly Googling names and terms I'm not familiar with .... so the philosophical inferences are my own amateur musingsGnomon
    :sweat: Yeah, it shows ...
  • The integration of science and religion
    Still no argument. – that's telling.
  • The integration of science and religion
    You claim NOMA is "baloney" but don't even try to make your case.
  • The integration of science and religion
    I agree with SJ Gould, Wittgenstein, Spinoza et al that 'religion & science' are non-overlapping magisteria (NOMA), or in other words ...
    https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/553997

    Religion denotes ritually following / reenacting myths based on magical thinking and superstition (i.e. merely subjective avowals).

    Science denotes collective pursuit of testable models which best explain possible transformations of aspects of nature based on defeasible thinking and abduction (i.e. more-than-inter/subjective, fallibilistic / approximative truth-claims).
  • Is sex/relationships entirely a selfish act?
    Somebody is doing it wrong.T Clark
    In a world teeming with unwed mothers and unwanted bastards, absentee fathers and neglected children, I suspect very few are doing it right (whatever that means) while the majority routinely confuses chemistry (attraction, arousal) for "connection".
  • amoralism and moralism in the age of christianity (or post christianity)
    I'm wondering what it would take for a universal morality to be achieved, or if it's even possible.ProtagoranSocratist
    If you do, explain why you (seem to) assume that "a universal morality" is more beneficial than the absence of one.

    One of my goals is to read Copleston's entire works on the history of philosophy ...
    FWIW, I'd recommend more contemporary (& secular) histories such as

    Peter Adamson's podcast & book series A History of Philosophy Without Any Gaps

    • Bryan Magee's The Great Philosophers: An Introduction to Western Philosophy
  • Tranwomen are women. Transmen are men. True or false?
    A transman is a 'male who expresses with female gender'. A transwoman is 'a male who expresses with male gender'.

    So are transwomen women? Are transwomen men? No. The terms man and woman indicate a person's age and sex, not gender. Are transwomen men who act with a female gender? Yes. Are transmen women who act with a male gender? Yes.
    Philosophim
    :100:

    A related post from 2019 ...
    https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/336888
  • Banning AI Altogether
    I think the point is that you can’t let your guard down anywhere, and you never could.praxis
    :mask: True.
  • Banning AI Altogether
    I avoid reading lengthy and didactic posts which are often poorly written. The AI stuff I’ve seen often seems peculiarly worded and difficult to read.Tom Storm
    :up: :up:
  • Banning AI Altogether
    I come here to listen to what others think and discuss ideas with them, not with chatbots.Janus
    :100: I don't bother reading or responding to any post that I even suspect is chatbot/LLM chatter.
  • What is right and what is wrong and how do we know?
    Hitch's avatar speaketh:


    :fire:
  • Does Zizek say that sex is a bad thing?
    Objectively 'sex' is masturbation by means of another body; beyond that we interpret the process of opening-closing this desiring circuit with any number of fantasies (i.e. projections), especially those which subjectively intensify (someone's) self-pleasuring experience.
  • Models and the test of consciousness
    ↪Mijin The so-called “hard problem” of consciousness must first be characterized properly, because it contains two fundamental category errors.

    The first is the one already mentioned: it conflates two descriptive levels
    — the physical and the semantic — and then asks how one could possibly “give rise” to the other. This question is not profound; it is ill-posed.

    The second is subtler: it assumes that mind must arise from matter, when in fact it arises from life.
    If you reduce a physical system, you end up with particles.
    If you reduce a living system, you end up with autocatalytic organization — the self-maintaining network of chemical reactions that became enclosed by a membrane and thus capable of internal coherence.
    That is the true basis of life: the emergence of a causal core within recursive, self-referential processes.
    Wolfgang
    :100:

    From there, consciousness can be understood evolutionarily, not metaphysically.
    At the neurophysiological level, one might say that in associative cortical areas, sensory inputs converge and integrate into dynamic wholes.
    Through recursive feedback between higher and lower regions, the system begins to form something like a mirror of itself.
    When these integrated representations are re-projected onto the body map, they generate what we call feeling — the system’s own state becoming part of its model of the world.

    In that sense, consciousness is not something added to matter, nor an inexplicable emergence; it is the self-reflection of an autocatalytic system that has become complex enough to model its own internal causality.

    Of course, this is not a “solution” to the hard problem in the usual sense — because no such final solution exists.
    But it offers a neurophysiological direction that might lead toward a satisfactory description:
    not a metaphysical bridge between mind and matter, but a consistent account of how recursive, life-based systems can generate the conditions under which experience becomes possible.
    More or less the 'non-reductionist physicalist, embodied functionalism' story I tell myself too.

    But you think consciousness is real.
    — bert1

    I hear people talking about it all the time. Just not very meaningfully. And certainly not at all scientifically
    apokrisis
    :up: :up:
  • Strong Natural Theism: An Alternative to Mainstream Religion
    A possible conceptual distinction does not entail real separation.Janus
    :up: :up:

    “That which exists is not the same as existence itself.” (ST I, q.3, a.4)Colo Millz
    Wet is not the same as liquid, yet they are physically inseparable. Likewise, existents (i.e. things, facts) are discrete properties (i.e. events, fluctuations) of existence.
  • Strong Natural Theism: An Alternative to Mainstream Religion
    And what is so wrong with atheism?ProtagoranSocratist
    If "atheism" denotes rejection of theism, then nothing seems wrong to me; however, "disbelief in God(s)" is cognitively indistinguishable from "disbelief in ghosts".

    The problem is avoided with agnosticism ...
    Perhaps in theory but not in practice. To neither believe nor disbelieve (out of ignorance, indecision or indifference) is existentially indistinguishable from disbelieving. An agnostic is, at best, just an uncommitted atheist.

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  • We have intrinsic moral value and thus we are not physical things
    'Consciousness' is spatiotemporal (i.e. embodied, causal) and therefore physical (i.e. a very rare kind of physical process). Also, whether or not 'we are conscious', we are bodies and therefore physical beings (i.e. biological organisms). "Moral values", however, are
    non-physical (i.e. abstractions).
  • Immigration
    Yeah, 500 years of White out-migration (i.e. colonization, resource extraction) has generated the last century or so of "Colored" in-migration (i.e. "immigration crisis" backlash due mostly to maldeveloped (failed/failing) nation-states and/or post-colonial, internecine conflicts perpetuated by rapine, global market-forces). Ethno-populist scapegoating, I guess, will continue to grow (especially, though not exclusively, in White-majority countries) as the ramifications of wealth inequality multiply and intensify. All things being equal, I suspect that nations further ravaged by climate change, pandemics, increasingly aged populations and severe economic dislocations due to ubiquitous automation / robotics, in the next decades migration flows to the EU/NA countries (i.e. Climate-Arks) might be reduced (e.g. by Autonomous Surveillance/Weapons Systems aka "unmanned drone swarms") to zero or a tiny fraction of what they are today. :mask:
  • Donald Trump (All Trump Conversations Here)
    < PSA >

    A simulacrum curb-stomps the fat(uous) orange avatar of American imbeciliity ...

    :mask:
  • What Constitutes Human Need or 'Desire'? How Does this Work as a Foundation for Ethical Values?
    On the contrary, I think desire does "play a role in behaviour"(e.g. Spinoza's conatus).
  • Is there a purpose to philosophy?
    Oh I almost forgot, neither of those links answered the question or had anything to really add to it.Darkneos
    What kind of answer to "what is reality?" are you looking for?
  • Is there a purpose to philosophy?
    I have tended to describe myself as a methodological naturalist and not a metaphysical naturalist.Tom Storm
    :up: The older I get the more comfortable I am with the latter (which entails the former); however, I prefer philosophical naturalist instead.

    What is reality?

    (2022)
    https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/747203

    (2023)
    https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/871001
  • Is there a purpose to philosophy?
    ... philosophers can't agree on reality.Darkneos
    Yeah, just like physicists "can't agree on" the ontology of quantum physics, and yet ... :mask:
  • Is there a purpose to philosophy?
    Philosophy's "purpose" is flourishing
    to understand and practice aligning expectations (i.e. judgments) with reality.
  • Was I wrong to suggest there is no "objective" meaning in life on this thread?
    :up: Nothing else besides ...
    ... deciding how we choose to spend whatever time we have.180 Proof
  • The value of the given / the already-given
    I like 180 Proof answer - dancing. Just force yourself to act joyous, listening to a favorite jam, and gratitude and laughter follow.Fire Ologist
    :up:
  • Was I wrong to suggest there is no "objective" meaning in life on this thread?
    What matters most, it seems to me, is deciding how we choose to spend whatever time we have.
    — 180 Proof

    Yep, and we choose to spend it right here.
    Hanover
    :up:

    Yeah, but you don't ask how we got upon the ship.
    That'd be an idle question – the existential fact remains: we're (stranded) on a storm-tossed ship indefinitely
  • The value of the given / the already-given
    It often seems we only realize the true value of something after it's lost. But is there a way to consciously experience gratitude, recognition, and sober appreciation without having to go through loss?Astorre
    Love of life. Ja sagen! (F.N.) Listening to music. Dancing. Wu wei. Platonic love. Lasting friendship. Gardening ...
  • Is there a purpose to philosophy?
    That's generally the main issue I hear people talk about with philosophy, it doesn't really enhance our lives.Darkneos
    My guess is that such people do not pursue philosophy as a way of life.