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  • Israel killing civilians in Gaza and the West Bank
    ↪BitconnectCarlos
    :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
  • A poll regarding opinions of evolution
    "Evolution happened naturally ..." :monkey:

    ↪Lionino
    :up:
  • Israel killing civilians in Gaza and the West Bank
    ↪BitconnectCarlos
    The Nazi ethnostate had oppressed its neighbors. Hamas terrorizes Israel the ethnostate oppressor of Gaza, West Bank, etc. (At least since 1967) IDF + Shin Bet¹ + Likud = "Nazis". :fire: :death:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Gatekeepers_(film) [1]
  • What is 'Right' or 'Wrong' in the Politics of Morality and Ideas of Political Correctness?
    Personal preference and culture seem to be the source of our ethics. — Tom Storm
    And "personal preference and culture" are grounded in – are expressions of – being natural creatures inseparable from non-human nature, no?
  • Usefulness vs. Aesthetics Regarding Philosophical Ideas and Culture
    Okay, and your philosophical question is ...
  • Defining what the Science of Morality Studies
    .
    I don't know if the science of descriptively moral behaviors (the Science of Morality) will help with ethics. — Mark S
    Okay.

    I fear that ethicists will not recognize its usefulness.
    You have not provided sufficient philosophical grounds for (or any persuasive examples of) "its usefulness" to ethics (i.e. moral reasoning).
  • Defining what the Science of Morality Studies
    Does this science provide a foundation for morality? — Mark S
    Of course not. Why assume morality requires any "foundation" at all?

    https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/885373

    I regard this whole endeavor as a fruitless dead end. — Fooloso4
    Ditto. :up:
  • Can certain kinds of thoughts and fantasies be described as evil?
    IMO, there is no "evil" where there aren't any actual intentionally helpless casualties.
  • Israel killing civilians in Gaza and the West Bank
    ↪Moses
    Oppressors forfeit their descendants' lives because the oppressed have nothing to lose but their chains. Lex talonis, bitch. :death: :fire:
  • Israel killing civilians in Gaza and the West Bank
    The hungry ghost of Nebuchadnezzar The Great (Azazel) has yet to cross the Jordan River again. :fire:

    ↪180 Proof Did you know that Jesus was a Palestinian? — Moses
    Unironically, however, you zionists are wanna-be Roman provincial occupiers entertaining yourselves with mass-crucifixions – "The only good Palestinian is a dead Palestinian!" – your apparent raison d'etre since Auschwitz. :vomit:
    .
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    ↪jorndoe
    :rofl:
  • Is Nihilism associated with depression?
    ↪Tom Storm
    Well, I suppose that's why I didn't bold "nihilist" in your quote. Free of "transcendence", like me you're more of an absurdist or Spinozist, Nietzschean or freethinker, Epicurean or Pyrrhonian. :smirk:
  • Israel killing civilians in Gaza and the West Bank
    ↪BitconnectCarlos
    :up: STFU.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    ↪NOS4A2, the Clown isn't anti-state. Just pro-Clown-state. — jorndoe
    :smirk:
  • Defining what the Science of Morality Studies
    I am not trying to do ethics. — Mark S
    If so, then how do you know that your "science of morality" can help anyone actually do ethics?
  • Is Nihilism associated with depression?
    For me, as a nihilist, I find the idea that there is no transcendent meaning rather joyous and exciting and one full of possibilities. I am unencumbered by dogma and doctrine and need not concern myself with following any preordained path. — Tom Storm
    :cool: :up:
  • Defining what the Science of Morality Studies
    Do you have a conclusive argument justifying an imperative moral system? — Mark S
    I don't know what that is.

    If not, what moral guidance would you suggest as superior to what I propose here?
    You have not proposed any moral prescriptions, so I'm not sure what you're asking. And I've previously stated my position with respect to your so-called "science of morality":

    (Feb 2024)
    https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/885162

    https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/885373

    (2023)
    https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/777275
  • Israel killing civilians in Gaza and the West Bank
    ↪BitconnectCarlos
    GFY and watch the videos I've linked throughout this thread. Or go troll someone else with your ahistorical apologia and disinformation.
  • Defining what the Science of Morality Studies
    In no way does the science of morality (as the study of what is and has been descriptively moral) make our ultimate moral goals an empty phrase — Mark S
    I didn't claim or imply that it did. You make it an empty phrase, Mark, by confessing you do not know what "our ultimate moral goals" are and yet propose that a "science of morality" can describe conditions whivh determine them. This kind of jugglery is of no use to moral philosophy.
  • Israel killing civilians in Gaza and the West Bank
    Jews are one family. — BitconnectCarlos
    :roll: Tell that to the non-Ashkenazim of color (Mizrani Jews, Sephardic Jews, Ethopian Jews, Indian Jews) in Israel who are racially discriminated against and treated as second-class Israelis.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_Israel
    .
  • Israel killing civilians in Gaza and the West Bank
    ↪Moses
    So what? Non sequitur.

    ↪BitconnectCarlos
    So what? Besides, modern Ashkenazim certainly were not – they are European invaders and colonizer-settlers.
  • What is 'Right' or 'Wrong' in the Politics of Morality and Ideas of Political Correctness?
    @Jack Cummins

    Religion is (especially in its manifest theocratic forms are) the denial, or negation, of morality (e.g. teleological suspension of the ethical, theodicy of "ends justify means", etc) as e.g. Confucius' / Hillel's "golden rule", Plato's Euthyphro, Epicurus' "Tetrapharmakos", Spinoza's Ethics ... or Phillipa Foot's Natural Goodness, etc suggest.

    ↪Tom Storm
    :up: :up: "Manifest Destiny" was, after all, an imperialist theodicy ...
  • Israel killing civilians in Gaza and the West Bank
    ↪BitconnectCarlos
    Colonizer-settler. :shade:
  • Is Nihilism associated with depression?
    ↪Benj96
    Psychologism is unwarranted. There are plenty of non-depressed, even happy, nihilists pessimists cynics & fatalists. Besides, if "nothing matters", then that statement also doesn't matter (just as "all is meaningless" is meaningless too).
  • Israel killing civilians in Gaza and the West Bank
    Some blacks were fine with slavery & with their roles under the confederacy. — Moses
    How do you know this? (Of course you don't.) Sounds to me like the "happy slaves" trope of white supremacist propaganda. 'Uncle Toms' (e.g. Clarence Thomas) were/are not ever just "fine with their roles" ... But don't worry, Moses, I won't link you again to videos critical of Israeli oppression and atrocities – clearly, you're just fine with your role. :shade:
  • Defining what the Science of Morality Studies
    ↪Mark S
    So "our ultimate moral goals" is just an empty phrase, mere rhetoric, and your "science of morality" "determines" that. :ok: Mere scientism ...
  • Israel killing civilians in Gaza and the West Bank
    ↪BitconnectCarlos
    :eyes: :rofl:
  • Israel killing civilians in Gaza and the West Bank
    There is nothing threatening about opposing occupation and oppression. That is not antisemitism; you can agree with it or not. Even being anti-zionist is not antisemitic. There are hundreds of thousands, if not more, of ultra-orthodox Jews, including some who are in the Israeli government, who are anti-zionist but they are not antisemitic. They see themselves as the epitome of Jewishness and Jewish tradition.

    So there is politics and there is prejudice, and if we don't make a distinction between the two, then what we are actually doing is enforcing a kind of silence over the policies that have been conducted by the Israeli government for a long time and that have ultimately culminated now in the utter destruction of Gaza.
    — Omer Bartov, Israeli-American Holocaust scholar
    :fire:

    ... There's been no strong response to these campuses protests which involve vandalism (and apparently now hostage taking) and protestors barring Jewish students from campus in scenes reminiscent of the 1930s in Europe. — BitconnectCarlos
    Your willful ignorance or disinformation is pathetic, BC, especially since many of the protestors are Jewish students. :shade:


    @RogueAI @tim wood @Moses and other Crimes Against Humanity (zion-über-alles!) apologists :eyes:
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    What I can't figure out is, what Trump voters think they're voting for. — Wayfarer
    It's never been a mystery to me – formerly a 7 year black resident of the "ruby red" deep south following 13 years in the once "bright red" gun-crazed, desert southwest US – that MAGA (Make Apartheid Great Again (aka "Morons Against Great America")) cult followers and non-cult supporters, who have taken over the GOP (Gimps of Putin), are 'voting' for a patriarchal, white ethnostate dictatorship. No doubt, my friend, there will be blood, especially when it becomes undeniable even to them that their bankrupted, convicted, possibly by then imprisoned Dear Cult Leader will lose the "anti-Trump blowout" reelection of POTUS & the Dems.

    May Day Eve – my fear today is, however, that MAGA terrorists will try to make the US ungovernable (therefore, acutely vulnerable to national security threats from Russia, China and/or the Middle East) in the weeks and months following, if not before, the ROEvember election. The US military may have to be deployed to impose Martial Law, reminiscent of the 'state of emergency' during the weeks after "9-11" (but worse by an order of magnitude) in order to secure federal, state & local elections and to protect key officials and vital infrastructure. :fire: :mask:
  • Does no free will necessarily mean fatalism or nihilism?
    'Free will or determinism?' doesn't matter. 'Nothing matters' also doesn't matter. If we have no choice (i.e. "free will"), then we are determined (i.e. caused) to live as if 'we are free to choose' and thereby 'responsible for our choices'. Either way: amor fati! :razz:
  • How to Live a Fulfilling Life
    Or die before you learn you are – or how to be – unfulfilled.
  • The infinite straw person paradox
    ↪Echogem222 I didn't strawman you. You have this tendency to accuse others of making a strawman when they point out how your posts make zero sense. — Lionino
    :smirk: :up:
  • The hole paradox I came up with
    ↪unenlightened
    :100:

    A paradox is a situation that results in something impossible or contradictory. This ain't one. — Lionino
    :up: :up:

    ↪Echogem222
    Weak dodge. Your so-called "solution" doesn't matter ‐ isn't worth considering – if there is not an actual problem (or its merely a pseudo-problem) in the first place.
  • Defining what the Science of Morality Studies
    our ultimate moral goals. — Mark S
    What exactly are those "ultimate moral goals" and, since "moral science" is not prescriptive, what is the non-scientific basis for determining such "goals" and that they are "ours" (i.e. universal)?
  • What is 'Right' or 'Wrong' in the Politics of Morality and Ideas of Political Correctness?
    Hey you, Whitehouse
    Ha, ha, charade you are
    You house proud town mouse
    Ha, ha, charade you are
    You're trying to keep our feelings off the street
    You're nearly a real treat
    All tight lips and cold feet
    And do you feel abused?
    You got to stem the evil tide
    And keep it all on the inside
    Mary you're nearly a treat
    Mary you're nearly a treat
    But you're really a cry
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gZM1WQKwpl0

    What do you think about the relationship between ethics and politics? — Jack Cummins
    I think ethics (re: moral agency) is concerned with the cultivation of human flourishing whereas politics (re: solidarity, legitimacy) is concerned with resolving conflicts in ways which to varying degrees arrange (or derange) the material-symbolic conditions for making the cultivation of human flourishing possible.

    Also, what is 'right' or 'wrong' about political correctness, and how far should such correctness go in outlawing what may some may regard as being 'offensive'?
    "PC" is and always has been useless – "identity politics" shite – and, where it harms more than it helps, it's wrong. Don't be an Asshole or a Cunt! (billboards? PSAs?) – civility & (a little) empathy when in public almost always suffices. Fuck censors, prudes, fundies & other hypocritical, virtue signaling, "offended" twats! :strong: :mask:

    'Blood Meridian'
    ... on my short list for The Great American Novel.

    The quote matches the bleak, bereft setting of the book - circumstances where god seems to be missing. — Tom Storm
    :fire:
  • How do we decide what is fact and what is opinion?
    ... my brain generates a model of reality ... — Truth Seeker
    Certainly this – what you describe here – is mind-independent, no?
  • The hole paradox I came up with
    Imagine trying to define a hole. — Echogem222
    From a 2022 thread Does nothingness exist? ...
    https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/707639

    examples: a
    donut or
    hole in a bucket / boat or
    negative space or
    randomness (i.e. total symmetries) or
    blindspot or ...

    IMO, no "paradox". Check (correct) your assumptions / premises.
  • Hobbies
    The closest thing to a hobby I had was 20 years drinking whisky and meeting strangers in bars. Loved almost every minute of that, but quit to save my liver. — Tom Storm
    Ah cool, we're former barfly brothers! (Btw, fucking "healthy livers" are overrated, mate.) :smirk:
  • Israel killing civilians in Gaza and the West Bank
    ↪Benkei
    :up:
  • How do we decide what is fact and what is opinion?
    How can we prevent all harm? — Truth Seeker
    We cannot** since only the dead are free from "all harm" or conflict; however, far more often than not, we can prevent greater harms from occuring and/or reduce harms that have been inflicted. Lack of perfection** is neither a rational nor a moral argument against doing good (i.e. negating worse) whenever possible. Nonviolent conflicts are usually resolved less harmfully than violent conflicts which almost always follow from either refusing to engage in and/or defecting from nonviolent conflict (e.g. dialectics, deliberations, dialogues). So again I ask, Seeker:
    Absent this Sisyphusean agon (i.e. 'the unexamined life is not worth living'), how else can we – at least some small yet nontrivial fraction of the eight billion of us – thrive (flourish)? — 180 Proof
    :chin:
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