I sum up Wittgenstein as saying "Let me explain to you how there is no such thing as an explanation." — Fire Ologist

What is it about SPECIFICALLY Wittgenstein that it elicits the worst forms of elitism and gatekeeping in this forum? — schopenhauer1

(1) Philosophy is a battle against the bewitchment of our intelligence by means of language.

(2) I think I summed up my attitude to philosophy when I said: philosophy ought really to be written only as a poetic composition.

(3) The difficulty in philosophy is to say no more than we know.

(4) A serious and good philosophical work could be written consisting entirely of jokes.

(5) The classifications made by philosophers and psychologists are like trying to classify clouds by their shape.

(6) Philosophy aims at the logical clarification of thoughts. Philosophy is not a body of doctrine but an activity. A philosophical work consists essentially of elucidations. Philosophy does not result in 'philosophical propositions', but rather in the clarification of propositions. Without philosophy thoughts are, as it were, cloudy and indistinct: its task is to make them clear and to give them sharp boundaries.

(7) What is your aim in philosophy? To show the fly the way out of the fly-bottle — Ludwig Wittgenstein

Feel free to point out where the logic of the OP is flawed and we can discuss that. — Philosophim

Good - what should be
Existence - what is
Morality - a method of evaluating what is good
Our first necessarily objective good: Existence
— Philosophim

:lol:

Nonexistence never hurt anyone and existence hurts everyone. Although our selves may be illusory creations of consciousness, our pain is nonetheless real..
— Thomas Ligotti — 180 Proof

Why would an Artificial General Intelligence care about living things? — Truth Seeker

Good - what should be
Existence - what is
Morality - a method of evaluating what is good
Our first necessarily objective good: Existence — Philosophim

Nonexistence never hurt anyone and existence hurts everyone. Although our selves may be illusory creations of consciousness, our pain is nonetheless real. — Thomas Ligotti

(A) economic democracy (supplimented by local time-banking networks)
and/or
(B) more speculatively: AGI-managed post-scarcity, reputation-based demarchy.

There is essentially zero afterlife mention[ed] in the Hebrew Bible. — BitconnectCarlos

If you can't figure out what's wrong with #2, you are not thinking or engaging in good faith.
— Lionino

You should state what's wrong with it. — Hallucinogen

(2) If some observation corresponds to some Bible-specific proposition, then it is evidence that Christianity is true. — Hallucinogen

STFU moron. — Moses

Well, there's the rub. How can we ever determine if any Ai has agency? — RogueAI

There will probably eventually be human-level Ai's that demand negative rights at least. Or if they're programmed not to demand rights, the question will then become is programming them to NOT want rights immoral?

We'll have human-level Ai's before too long. Are they conscious? — RogueAI

Do they have rights?

What is human originality, then? — Nemo2124

What is it that we can come up with that cannot ultimately be co-opted by the machine?

Whatever is real does not require faith. — Thus Spoke 180 Proof

But ask a more fundamental question: why do we "care"?
— Constance

I'd say we care because (or if) it is our nature to care. There is not some anterior reason that leads us to think we should care. We are instinctively attached to our lives and want to preserve them, just as animals are. — Janus

Any subject or object can be deconstructed into meaninglessness or incoherence, but so what?

I'm fine with reality (whatever that may be) being a pragmatic or tentative construct that helps us to manage our lives. The problem isn't so much in pointing out putative flaws in our construction of the world. The problem is no one has any useful alternatives. — Tom Storm

the sea transcends its waves — bert1

Existence is "What is". — Philosophim

Fair enough. Don't some expression of phenomenology try to break down the mind/body problem with embodied cognition? — Tom Storm

It's just that we always seem to come back to quesions about what is true and how do we know it.

That's because you are religiously blind, don't you know? :wink: — Janus

Apologists' being anyone who questions naive realism, right? — Wayfarer

1. If "objective moral good" entails objective moral bad
— 180 Proof
i.e. show that the latter (bad) is not entailed by the former (good). — 180 Proof

The landmass may have been called Europe by some guy called Ptolemy, but so what? It is only relevant because we now through our construction of history hold Ptolemy in high regard. — Tobias

It is through conquest that 'Europe' became a thing. Not by being a 'thing in itself' but an entity developed, adorned and embellished by ...

Scholasticism to me is not a candidate for any special status. Islamic and Judaic philosophers were more adapt at it, or at least equal.

1. If "objective moral good" entails objective moral bad — 180 Proof

The human fear of death.
—180 Proof

I wonder, what is fear? — Constance

The landmass was already called Europe since ancient times. — Lionino

... according to the OP, "objective morality" is conditional, not "existence".
—180 Proof

Can you quote the part of the OP you're talking about? — Philosophim

The point I will make below: If there is an objective morality, the most logical fundamental aspect of that morality is that existence is good. — Philosophim