• What makes nature comply to laws?
    ...these concepts are actually the respective world we live in and beyond our world-view and in abstraction from it there is definitely nothing left we could talk about –Pez
    I don't understand what you're saying here. Please reformulate and clarify.

    More simply put, my position is : nature does not "comply" with "physical laws"; rather our best, unfalsified models conform via physical laws (i.e. generalizations of transformations of phenomena) to the observable, objective regularities of nature.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    Loser-1's KARMA WATCH: 16Feb24

    criminal trials (pending):

    • GA 2020 Election Interference RICO Indictment, 13 felonies – TBD in Atlanta

    • NY 2016 "Hush Money" Business Fraud Indictment, 34 felonies – trial begins 25Mar24 in NYC

    • Federal "January 6th" Conspiracy Indictment, 4 felonies – TBD in Wash. DC

    • Federal Espionage, Classified Documents & Obstruction of Justice Indictment, 40 felonies – TBD in Fort Peirce, FL

    4 jurisdictions, 4 indictments, 91 charges :up:

    civil trials:

    • E. Jean Carroll Sexual Assault & Defamation 1 – $5 million verdict

    • E. Jean Carroll Defamation 2 – $83.3 million verdict

    • Civil financial fraud – +$450 million (disgorgement + interest) verdict

    +$538.3 million (currently) :cool:

    https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/881649

    civil trials (pending):

    • 2 "January 6th" lawsuits by members of the US Congress threatened and traumatized by armed MAGA rioters who stormed the US Capitol Building

    • "January 6th" lawsuit by US Capitol Police Officers injured & PTSD'd by armed MAGA rioters who stormed the US Capitol Building
  • What’s your description of Metaphysics?
    And we all hold confirmation biases in terms of this personal, typically implicitly maintained, axis mundi.javra
    I suppose my own "axis mundi" consists of the 'principle of non-contradiction (PNC) sans principle of sufficient reason (~PSR) —> universal contingency (UC)'.
  • What’s your description of Metaphysics?
    As always, sir, your Dunning-Kruger, woo-of-the-gaps, quasi-scientism is :rofl: :lol: :razz:
  • US Election 2024 (All general discussion)
    16Feb24

    By 31Jan24 the Trump Org will be effectively dissolved in NY State by order of Justice Engoron and no less than $300 million USD (re: "ill-gotten gains") will be disgorged as well as Fraudster-1 (maybe Beavis & Butthead too) will be barred for life from the real estate industry in NY State. NB: Liquidations to commence soon in order to put up a $300 million or more cash bond that's required by law to Appeal the civil judgment – Loser-1 clearly isn't that liquid (thanks, Ms. Carroll! :clap: :kiss: :flower: Loser-1 also has to put up a total of $88.3 million in order to Appeal both her judgements too) – otherwise, without that combined half-billion in cash (USD), the collection agencies for NYS will slap enforceable liens on all defendents' personal & real properties asap and savage tf out of them like piranha. :wink: :party:180 Proof
    Apparently, an Appellate-proof (restrained) judgment of over $450 million (disgorgement + interest), barred for (only) 3 years from doing business in NYS & borrowing from NYS chartered banks, an (enhanced) independent financial monitor & corporate compliance officer – straitjacket – for 3 years, but no "corporate death penalty" (yet?) ...

    https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/16/politics/takeaways-donald-trump-fraud-ruling/index.html

    Still a BFD, Frauster/Loser-1 is butthurt. :kiss:

    https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/881709 :eyes: :rofl:
  • What religion are you and why?
    There seems to be far far more compelling, objective evidence that, for example, dinosaurs had existed +65 million years ago than there is that an itinerant rabbi from Nazareth in Roman-occupied Judea named Yeshua ben Yosef (aka "Iēsus Chrīstus") had existed two millennia ago ... or, btw, that any g/G has ever existed. Just my two shekels.
  • Supervenience Problems: P-Regions and B-Minimal Properties
    we want to use superveniance to explain in some way how the mental is in some way dependant on the physical
    — Count Timothy von Icarus

    Supervenience isn't an explanation in itself. It's more of a category. It's a way of categorising models, and the MODELS are the things that have the potential to explain.
    flannel jesus
    :100: :up:
  • What makes nature comply to laws?
    Welcome to TPF ...

    In sum, I understand modern natural sciences in this way – from an old post (2021):
    'Physical laws' are features of physical models and not the universe itself. Our physical models are stable, therefore 'physical laws' are stable. If in current scientific terms, new observations indicate that aspects of the universe have changed [differ from previous observations], then, in order to account for such changes [differences], we will have to reformulate our current (or conjecture new) physical models which might entail changes to current (or wholly different) "physical laws". E.g. Aristotlean teleology —> Newtonian gravity —> Einsteinian relativity —>180 Proof
    In other words, "physical laws" are invariants in the structure of physical models which attempt to explain regularities experimentally observed in the physical world. To the degree such models themselves are objective, the "physical laws" derived from them are objective.
  • To What Extent is 'Anger' an Emotion or Idea and How May it Be Differentiated from 'Hatred'?
    It is difficult to know to what extent emotions help or hinder in thinking.Jack Cummins
    On the contrary, mate, it's quite easy to know the impacts of emotion on thinking from lived experience (e.g. frustration, romance, intoxication, stress, trauma, etc) as well from disciplines such as cognitive neuroscience, behavioral psychology & cognitive behavioral therapy which corroborate (ancient) 'philosophies of life' both East and West.
  • What religion are you and why?
    I'm irreligious ...
    [T]he only "god" which makes any shred of sense to me – consistent with all human knowledge of nature and lived experience – and does not insult my intelligence or undermine my dignity as a moral agent is the Pandeus.180 Proof
  • Postmodernism and Mathematics
    AFAIK, no one, including any p0m0, has ever pointed out a 'culture' wherein mathematics does not work (e.g. "0 > 1" ... "2 + 2 = 87" ... "C = 3 π r" ... "150° triangle" ...) or is inapplicable for time-keeping, drumming-dancing-chanting, farming, buillding megastructures, accounting, navigating, etc. Like bivalent logic (Ibn Sina^^), the universality of arithmetic-geometry (Kant) is inescapable. Whether or not a 'culture' adaptively makes use of elementary / advanced mathematics, however, is another matter all together – perhaps, I suspect, mostly an accident of cognitive anthropological development.


    https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/692175 ^^
  • Absential Materialism
    This is not a physics forum so I don't see the philosophical relevance of the quote cited; and conflating the Schrödinger equation with the 'Schrödinger's Cat' gedankenexperiment proves my point.
  • Absential Materialism
    :sparkle: :eyes: :lol:
  • Absential Materialism
    I understand him to be making reference to Schrödinger's equation for a superpositionally dead & alive cat.ucarr
    :roll:
  • To What Extent is 'Anger' an Emotion or Idea and How May it Be Differentiated from 'Hatred'?
    In some ways, anger may be seen as something to be overcome emotionally, or as an idea,or frequency. How does it stand in connection with philosophical ideas and ideals of love and hatred?Jack Cummins
    I tend to agree with Spinoza (& e.g. the Epicureans, Stoics, Pyrrhonians), strong emotions tend to bias or block thinking, especially philosophizing, with that to which such emotions are reacting. 'Philosophies of life' usually propose exercises (e.g. meditating, caretaking, suspending judgment, flowing, being indifferent to whatever cannot be controlled, etc) for cultivating habits of equanimity, which IMO grounds courage (i.e. the skill-set for adaptively, or proactively, using – thriving from – loss, failure or uncertainty).
  • Absential Materialism
    a kind of metaphysical POV [ ... ] affords us a metaphysics of practiceucarr
    I heve no idea what you mean, ucarr.

    If quantum physicists can learn to become comfortable with the material causal consequences of the superposition of alternate, as-yet-unrealized states of matter [ ... ] the superposition of the present and the absent in our functions, meanings,
    experiences, and values [ ... ] a delicate superposition of the present and the absent.
    Deacon sounds like he's espousing what C. Rovelli aptly calls "quantum nonsense" (re: ).
  • What’s your description of Metaphysics?
    Unless I'm mistaken, I think contradiction

    in (non-dialetheistic) logic = necessary falsity;

    in modal logic = necessary impossibility; and

    in modal metaphysics = necessary ontic-impossibility (e.g. sosein)*.

    *fiction

    As modal metaphysics, my proposal of 'negative ontology' – basically expressed in actualist terms (as suggested in my previous post) – distinguishes versions of the world** which could not be (fictions) from those versions of the world** which could be (facts).

    **actuality

    @Count Timothy von Icarus
  • Absential Materialism
    It might be instructive to ask 180 about attitude toward Deacon's "radical" Incomplete Nature, and Absential theories.Gnomon
    See p.1 of this thread for my exchanges with @ucarr on discussed similarities of classical atomism and "absential materialism", namely the role of absence/void as "constraint" and thereby the primary factor in emergence/atomic recombinations. As for my "attitude" toward his book: from ucarr's reflections, wiki summary & reviews, T. Deacon's thesis seems to be 'nonreductive physicalist scientism' – not philosophically interesting to me.
  • What’s your description of Metaphysics?
    Does your negative ontology "eliminate the impossible," or does it simply eliminate "what is impossible given certain unquestioned and taken-for-granted presuppositions?"Count Timothy von Icarus
    I think of it this way: Any world that contains, or is constituted by, either contradictions or objects with inconsistent properties is, in terms of modal logic, impossible; therefore, such constituent entities (i.e. versions of the world) are necessary fictions.

    Can it only ever say what is impossible from within a given framework and are all frameworks equally valid?
    Yes and no. I use terms of modal logic (e.g. actual, contingent, possible, necessary, impossible) since it is the clearest, most precise "framework" I've found. Specifically, actualism rather than possibilism.

    Is it a problem for "impossible" or contradictory claims to be considered equally valid?
    No. They are equally fictional.

    ... total relativism. And the problems related to relativism seem particularly acute when claims about "how the world is," "how experience is," etc. are brought in ...
    I agree. "Total relativism" (like global skepticism; existential/semantic/epistemological/ontological nihilism) is self-refuting. I think (aspect, property & valence) pluralism is a more reasonable principle – and very strongly correlated with actualism (as well as N. Goodman's irrealism) – for which variations, or counterparts, are neither equivalent (i.e. "equally valid" in every circumstance) nor always, or even mostly, commensurable. Yes, like the heights and depths of a landscape, most(?) valid paths / positions are patently better or worse – more adequate or less adequate – than others.
  • What’s your description of Metaphysics?
    IME, the reliance on dictionary definitions for key terms (or distinctions) muddles more than it clarifies in philosophical discussions, especially where there are precise terms of art in standard usage. I stand by my answer: negative ontology, like any other speculative supposition (i.e. philosophical proposal) or formal expression (e.g. logic, mathematics), is definitely not falsifiable – it is a criteriological method and not a hypothetical explanation of phenomena.
  • What’s your description of Metaphysics?
    Falsification (Popper) isn't a term used to indicate the mere negative truth-value of a proposition but precisely that to be falsifiable means 'experimental tests of an explanatory model's predictions can fail'. Don't confuse the issue, Count: IMO, metaphysics is not theoretical (Witty).
  • Absential Materialism
    Glad to be helpful. :up:

    ... cartoon of Gnomon, as a New Age nut, touting Quantum Mysticism [ ... ] the observing mind plays a role in the results of sub-atomic experiments ...Gnomon
    :clap: :rofl: That's all folks!

    It is with sadness that every so often I spend a few hours on the internet, reading or listening to the mountain of stupidities dressed up with the word 'quantum'. Quantum medicine; holistic quantum theories of every kind, mental quantum spiritualism – and so on, and on, in an almost unbelievable parade of quantum nonsense. — Carlo Rovelli, Hegoland, pp. 159-60
    :fire:
  • What’s your description of Metaphysics?
    Is the "elimination of the impossible," or discovery of "ways the world necessarily could not have been or cannot be described," not, broadly speaking, a form of falsification?Count Timothy von Icarus
    No. It's a logical expression, not a scientific claim.
  • What’s your description of Metaphysics?
    Much of metaphysics consists in playing dialectically with language—what if such and such (such and such that is the dialectical opposite of what we actually encounter) is really the case.Janus
    :up: :up: Thus, in the main 'kataphatic metaphysics' – the Classical / Aristotlean tradition – is ad hoc (e.g. "this is the Really Real"-of-the-gaps), mostly derived from invalid arguments, which usually amounts to dogma like "only Euclidean geometry is Really Real because non-Euclidean geometries are mere appearances" or as you suggest "what if this / my set of axioms is Absolute ..."

    A typically incorrigible example:
    I prefer to think of Metaphysics [ ... ] attempting to gain an omniscient worldview.Gnomon
    :mask:
  • What’s your description of Metaphysics?
    I don't understand your response to my post (re: negative ontology). Plesse clarify.
  • Absential Materialism
    Metaphysics is little more than the logical grammar undergirding the conceptual dimensions of science. It's neither beyond nor above science. It's something akin to an emergent property of science.ucarr
    :up: :up:

    Thus, in the first century BCE Andronicus of Rhodes who had edited Aristotle's corpus had titled the philosophia prima The Book Following The Book On Nature aka "metà tà physikà tá" (as in following from re: categorical generalizations / essential conditions of explaining nature aka "physics"). Woo-of-the-gaps sophists like @Gnomon and other idealists / antirealist / supernaturalists naively(?) invert the Classical order – ahistorically make sh*t up – and incorrigibly misconstrue physics (i.e. science) as the product of – following from – "Meta-physics" (e.g. nous, the one, pure reason, geist, beyng ... "Enformer"). :sparkle: :roll:
  • What’s your description of Metaphysics?
    :roll:

    Metaphysics is the opposite of MaterialismGnomon
    :rofl: And yet "materialism" is a form of "metaphysics."

    PHYSICS vs METAPHYSICS = PART vs WHOLEGnomon
    :lol: So a 'whole atom' exceeds the grasp of physics?

    :up:
  • Analysis of Goodness
    Well if my meaning isn't clear enough for you in my previous post, then I can't help you, Bob.
  • Argument against Post-Modernism in Gender History
    :ok: Gotcha. So you cannot cite a single reputable scientific source to warrant acceptance of 'biological determinism of patriarchical hierarchies'.
  • Analysis of Goodness
    Your objections do not make sense to me. I've not made any "assertions", Bob, you have in your OP, and I find them based on arbitrary (i.e. context-free yet non-formal) definitions which you fail to provide any discursive reasons, or justification, for me/us to accept rather than some other definitions. For instance "goodness" – but I'm not a Platonist (i.e. essentialist). This is why I recommended some disparate readings in modern moral philosophy.
  • Argument against Post-Modernism in Gender History
    Biological determinism?
    — 180 Proof

    Is a fact of life.
    AmadeusD
    Evidence (i.e. a reputable scientific source)?