In other words, god-of-the-gaps. :sweat:

I'm even seriously considering reading Hegel. — Jamal

:yikes:

Dude, read Adorno's Negative Dialectics before you lobotomize yourself with Hegelian dialectics. :mask:

As per Witty, the meaning of "logos" is its use (re: context). "John of Patmos" and Heraclitus of Ephesus clearly used "logos" differently. :roll:

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In the WH, yes; but I don't think DeSantis will get that far precisely because his reactionary populist – fascistic, racist, mysogynist, public health-denying – policies in Florida amply demonstrate how much scarier he'd be than Individual-1.

I suspect Biden will announce in the fall that he's not running in 2024. Kamala Harris is already DOA (and good riddens). Watch California governor Gavin Newsom for President (with Michigan governor Gretchen Whitmer for VP). Now that's a MAGA-killing ticket! Not nearly as far left as I'd like or this country needs but consistently more firmly progressive than Biden-Harris (or Obama-Biden or Clinton-Gore).

:lol:

:roll:

Obama was the less bad option in both elections. IMO, his being black helped get him elected in 2008.

AFAIK, so far only DeSantis & Individual-1 (less and less) ... they're also looking for anyone who the MAGA mouth-breathers will support. Like Pence (who's delusional), Haley ain't one of them.

MAGAs won't give her the nomination. Most GOP donors don't back her candidacy.

DOA.

I described Deism simply as a "non-religious philosophical position". — Gnomon

Insofar as Enformationism is synonymous / analogius to deism: if it walks like god-of-the-gaps and quacks like god-of-the-gaps and denies sound counter-arguments like god-of-the-gaps, then it must be, for all intents and purposes, god-of-the-gaps. :zip:

"God" is one of the greatest mysteries of human existence. So if a philosopher seeks wisdom, then knowing about God would be a high priority. — Metaphysician Undercover

What we "know about" (which?) "God" is that it is "the greatest mystery" – the (ultimate) inexplicable "answer" to every question that begs them all. Recognizing that "God" does not explain anything (re: mythos) is what motivated the Presocratic proto-scientists (physiologoi) in Ionia & Elea to speculate on rational explanations (logos) for nature (phusis) and our minds (nous). IMO, to seek explicable wisdom is incompatible with seeking inexplicable "God".

I'm a big fat buzzin' gadfly. Btw, who said anybody is actually "awake"?

Indeed, one must say then Sophia is seeking man and not the other way round. — Agent Smith

One must be on the vagabond road freely thinking in order maybe to be found by Sophia rather than hold up warm and dry, well-fed and smug in some cozy destination (dogma) merely believing.

So what? We're flawed – "unstable" – in our thinking, feelings, beliefs; however, philosophy is a discipline for correcting or mitigating such flaws. I'm as consciously godless as I can be insofar as I'm striving to be fully attentive to the real as much as possible. For me, like Sisyphus, understanding consists in eliminating every "unreal element" from my way of life. :death: :flower:

Yes, philosophers are not even looking for "God" so the question of "finding" it is moot. I take Rabbi Abraham Heschel at his word: God is in search of man rather than the other way around.

It seems arche is very similar to God. — Agent Smith

I prefer the real.

It's the only thing we got?! — Agent Smith

Far from it, mi amigo. We temporarily have everything else too.

Is philosophy even searching for "God"? I've always thought philosophers seek wisdom (i.e. greater understanding).

The notion of emergent phenomena is closely related to holism. Am I correct — Agent Smith

I don't think so.

Emergence describes entities as having properties which their constituent parts do not have. (Re: ontology)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergence

Holism denotes interpreting entities as 'wholes without discrete parts' or without reducing wholes to their constituents. (Re: epistemology)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holism

Caveat: 'Idealists' tend to conflate ontology with epistemology and therefore, in this instance, confuse emergence with holism.

self-caused — ucarr

This is synonymous both with 'uncaused to exist' (i.e. eternal) and with 'self-organizing' (e.g. vacuum fluctuations, biological evolution).

Again, which "concept of God" are you referring to?
Mono / duo / poly theism?
Panentheism?
Pantheism?
Deism?
Panendeism?
Pandeism?
Acosmism?
Animism?

No, they wake sleepwalkers (or disturb their 'dreaming'). Now, if too many sleepwalkers awaken, then "the powerful" might be alarmed. Besides, Jamal, Baden, Benkei, et al run "this agora", as I call it, to accomodate gadflies (critics/skeptics) as well as sleepwalker (dogmatics/sophists), so they – "the powerful" – aren't targets (like e.g. @Gnomon) of my interrogations and cross-examinations.

I was too busy during the 80s & 90s to much, if any watch tv and only started watching tv again when I moved across country to be closer to my family while my nephews were growing up in the 00s & 10s. Btw, Seinfield's brand of "humor" doesn't do a thing for me. I grew up mostly in the 70s and was an undergrad in the early 80s. From what I can tell I really didn't miss much on television from 1980-2010. I think my list above illustrates my tastes in tv entertainment.

From my own list of favorite films
https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/774715 I think most of those casts were perfect.

I'd also add
Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf
In the Heat of the Night
Guess Who's Coming to Dinner
One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest
The Good, The, Bad and The Ugly
Chinatown
Jaws
Alien 1-3
Annie Hall
The Color Purple
Star Trek 2, 4, 6
The Cook, The Wife, The Thief & Her Lover
Full Metal Jacket
Hannah and Her Sisters
Do the Right Thing
Miller's Crossing
Reservoir Dogs
Pulp Fiction
Se7en
Casino
Gladiator
Analyze This
Serenity
Bourne 1-3
No Country for Old Men
Mystic River
Batman Begins
The Dark Knight
Fences
Inception
The Children of Men
Inglorious Bastards
Django Unchained
Margin Call
etc ...

That was Augustine, of course. Never let comprehension get in his way. — Ciceronianus

:smirk:

si ENIM comprhendis non est deus, — Agent Smith

No doubt an inferior version of

The Dao that can be spoken
is not the eternal Dao.
The name that can be named
is not the eternal name. — Laozi

All else is idolatry.

Being a native Ne]w Yorker of (mostly) the 60s-70s, I couldn't relate to either show.

I walked out of Fellowship of the Ring (too annoyed demand a refund) by the time "they fought the cave troll" in Moria. I can't say I'd liked any aspect of Peter Jackson's DnD-fan wank adaptations; it was all so wrong for me. I'm still waiting for LotR & The Hobbit – as well as the Earthsea Saga, The Black Company, The Prince of Nothing trilogy, stories of "Conan the Cimmerian", etc – to get a proper multi-season series treatment like HBO's GoT received (at least for the first 4 seasons).

What does "establishment" have to do with anything here?

Yes, I loved it too.

Tom Cruise & Demi Moore ruin it for me. Like the way Sophia Coppola mars Godfather III.

:fire:

Occam's barber is the fix.

You wouldn't ask if you'd read much of the back and forth between Gnomon and myself. Inside joke (with a "weird" kernel of truth).

Can't say I have ever felt like I belong anywhere, except maybe some jazz bar somewhere with a Sazerac and a freshly lit Lucky Strike... those day are long gone. If god stories involved booze and jazz clubs, I might have been a theist. — Tom Storm

We're soul brothers, Tom, in the St.Germain-des-Pres, circa 1953. :cool:

Some claim matter is neither created nor destroyed. How do you go about refuting this? — ucarr

Create or destroy some matter.

anti-metaphysical prejudice that dump all non-physical notions into the anti-science (religious) waste-bin. — Gnomon

We "dump all" woo-of-the-gaps "notions" like yours, Gnomon, into "the waste bin" of dognatic, New Age sophistry. Don't mind me, though, I'm just another one of those persistent gadflies buzzin' around this agora – swat me away if you can. :smirk: Btw, even an "anti-metaphysical prejudice", as you say, is a metaphysical position (such as my own speculations), just one which you don't like and/or can't comprehend.

the physics [physical theories (propositions)] vs metaphysics [interpretations of physical theories (suppositions)] debate

Another of your nonsensical assumptions (i.e. "prejudices"). :lol:

... you legislate away all of my arguments, instead of dealing with them.

Objecting to unsubstatiated interpretations, misstated facts and overall poor reasoning (despite your refusal to directly respond to / refute such objections), sir, is "dealing with them" – your so-called "arguments" – in a way more seriously than you apparently deserve.

si comprhendis non est deus — Agent Smith

Translate ...

Il est facile de voir que ... we're not in a position to answer that question. — Agent Smith

If so, then why assume ॐ implies anything at all?

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So which are type are you, Tom?

At my best I'm probably ¼"theorist", ¼"fool" & ½"thinker" (but I might be flattering myself). :sweat:

Well, "what's implied by ॐ"?

Yeah, but is theism – its sine qua non claims – true or not true?

To me it is a choice to try and explain everything without a creator ... — Andrew4Handel

So tell us how you / we scientifically know that "everything" was created. If you cannot, then you / we do not have any grounds to believe there is / was a "creator" of the universe. :chin: