• Dualism and the conservation of energy
    @universeness, a valiant effort indeed, but sometimes the best thing on can do is to laugh and walk away.Banno
    :smirk: :up:
  • A Scientific Theory of Consciousness
    continues to dodge a straight-forward direct question of this Cartesian assumption
    However, another way to look at Matter-vs-Mind or physical-vs-non-physical [ ... ] in terms of Classical vs Quantum science.Gnomon
    apparently because, as usual, he's just making shit up or limited by poor reasoning. Prove this is not the case, sir, by answering: How does non-physical A affect physical B and yet remain discernibly non-physical?

    At least, "I don't know" would be honest. :gasp:
  • Dualism and the conservation of energy
    Metaphysician Undercover

    Feel free to ignore science all you want and remain delusional about what you think you know about energy conservation. I will continue to listen to those who actually do know what they are talking about, namely, physicists and not metaphysicians.
    universeness
    You've done mighty yeoman's work talking physical science to an incorrigible pseudo-scientist. :clap: :up:

    Why are you so helpless 180?Metaphysician Undercover
    Pathetic dodge.

    https://energyeducation.ca/encyclopedia/Energy_loss#:~:text=When%20energy%20is%20transformed%20from,form%20of%20energy%2C%20like%20heat.

    Notice, there is always energy loss, and "Energy losses are what prevent processes from ever being 100% efficient." Hence the inductive conclusion I made, the law of conservation has been proven to be false.
    "Inductive conclusion?" :eyes: :roll:

    How can you be so obtuse, MU, confusing the "lack of 100% efficiency" in thermodynamic processes with occult "energy loss"?

    Oh, I know how – your dogmatic idealist (anti-physical) misreading (disregard) of all of the extant observational and experimental warrants in favor of 'conservation laws' and 'the principle of causal closure' in modern physical science, and without a shred of experimental evidence to corroborate the single article, which others have shown you've misread, that you obstinantly hang your tin-foil hat upon. No doubt, sir, the Nobel Committee has you on its short list for the 2023 Physics Prize. :sweat:
  • Some Moral Claims Could be Correct
    I don't think we all realize the fundamental assumptions guiding our moral beliefs:

    1. we are humans.
    2. as such, we have emotions, beliefs, desires, fears, etc.
    3. from this, we know we have a common ground upon which a moral discourse can succeed.

    That a society is stupid, ignorant, low IQ, backward mentally, uneducated, brainwashed, and just plain sociopath is not an excuse to promote relativism as an acceptable moral principle. Relativism is a dangerous [self-refuting] moral view.
    L'éléphant
    :100:

    I think the point is not that morals need or don't need justifications, but instead that humans animals and agents, whomever can't thrive properly or healthily under extreme negligence and continuance of this negligence whether intentional or not eventually leads to inevitable demise.Cobra
    :up: :up:

  • Outer View, Inner View, and Pure Consciousness
    We are in that sense like a structure emerging, for a finite time, from something we are no less a part of, like a wave which rises from an ocean, views the limited oceanscape visible from its peak, and then crashes down and disassembles back into the ocean itself.

    The wave, and the ocean, are both water when all is said and done.
    Benj96
    :100: :up: ... à la natura naturata via natura naturans, sub specie durationis (Spinoza).
  • The theory of the multiverse. Is it a stretch?
    If you're promoting as "true" a model which makes predictions that – so far? – can't be tested by experments, then you're promoting pseudo-science (or, in the case of M-string theory, platonizing its mathematics – metaphysics, not physics). Just because one is a theoretical physicist doesn't mean one's work does not require experimental testing of its predictions by experimental physicists. For now at least, Dr Kaku's untested – untestable? – work on M-string theory is indistinguishable from, as Dr. Hossenfelder says, "fiction". That's neither a "good thing" nor bad thing, it's just not yet a 'scientific theory of quantum gravity'.
  • A Scientific Theory of Consciousness
    Again, how does non-physical A affect physical B and yet remain discernibly non-physical?
  • A Scientific Theory of Consciousness
    So how does non-physical A affect physical B and yet remain discernibly non-physical? 'The physical world' as such is not causally closed? 'Conservation laws' do not obtain? 'Modern physics' doesn't explain what actually is going on (and if not, what accounts for us communicating via this electronic medium)?
  • The theory of the multiverse. Is it a stretch?
    Dr. Kaku is heavily invested in M-string theory, so much so that he, IMO, exaggerates the salience of its untested experimental predictions. Worse he popularizes his exaggerations to sell books. I enjoy his pop-sci books though since they provide good fodder for writing science fiction stories (which I do occasionally). As Dr. Hossenfelder noted: Kaku's quantum pronouncements make "good fiction."
  • Some Moral Claims Could be Correct
    Of course, there is also the whole is/ought thing which no one can address adequately.ToothyMaw
    I wonder what you make of this contrarian view from an old thread:
    https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/573153
  • "German philosophy lacks of escape valve"
    A 'disembodied philosophy' is – has always been – incongruent with embodied agency. Mishima's correct: idealism is full of Scheiße yet lacks an asshole – at least as far back as "Plato's Cave" – the ideology of ruling classes (i.e. dominance hierarchies e.g. capital), conttra self-governing politics.
  • Premodernism and postmodernism
    As I discern it, p0m0 has been a parody of itself – humorless dada – since the 1960s. 'Socratic irony & Pyrrhonian doubt' have long been integral to modernism despite its many excesses & mis-appropriations (pace Horkheimer, Adorno, et al).
  • Currently Reading
    Re-reading: The Sailor Who Fell from Grace with the Sea, Yukio Mishima.javi2541997
    :up:
  • The theory of the multiverse. Is it a stretch?
    Thanks for the link. :up:

    My take away: Michio Kaku ontologizes an interpretation of quantum theory whereas Sabine Hossenfelder finds this speculation (re: 'platonizing' the wave function) experimentally unwarranted and Roger Penrose suggests it's an ad hoc confused muddle which doesn't help explain anything that he thinks needs explaining (e.g. "inconsistencies in quantum theory of Schödinger's equations or the measurement problem"). Old school – harsh but apt.

    Overall, I tend to agree with Sabine cautioning us to carefully distinguish philosophy from physics in order to avoid proposing pseudo-scientific "fictions" such as Michio's notion of "the (macro) multiverse" (and the like fetishized by e.g. our resident Quantum-Woo Crew).
  • Currently Reading
    Old Gods, New Engimas: Marx's Lost Theory by Mike DavisMaw
    Looks interesting. :up:
  • Dualism and the conservation of energy
    As I see it, philosophy only deals with "abstract concepts" (e.g. ideas, interpretations, criteria, formalisms, thought-experiments, etc) since it lacks any means of its own to examine or explain concrete objects (i.e. phenomena). Philosophy doesn't explain anything; ar best it questions and/or clarifies how we conceptualize – simplify, map – our ways of being in the world.
  • Dualism and the conservation of energy
    ... there is a need to explain mind also.Mark Nyquist
    "Mind" is what sufficiently complex brains (i.e. central nervous systems) do – how they phenomenally-semiotically interact with their environments. "Mind" is actuaally mind-ing – a predicate rather than a thing – like digesting or dancing. That's only a simplistic conceptual description of "mind"(ing) – that's all philosophy (whether via a materialist/physicalist or immaterialist/non-physicalist paradigm) can provide; and it's early days yet for any testable, scientific "explanation".
  • Dualism and the conservation of energy
    My claim is that all experiments, each and every one of them has demonstrated that not all the energy conserved.Metaphysician Undercover
    Okay, then cite some of those "experiments" (or the relevant literature) to which you're referring.
  • Dualism and the conservation of energy
    To quote a recent sage: Bratshitz is as Bratshitz does. :sparkle:
  • Dualism and the conservation of energy
    Usually, in the broadest terms, I'm a philosophical naturalist (i.e. property dualist, irrealist, actualist & disutilitarian).
  • Dualism and the conservation of energy

    ...the law of conservation is not true...
    — Metaphysician Undercover

    We're still waiting for the disproof of Noether's theorem (e.g. a "perpetual motion machine") ...
    180 Proof
    ... or Newton's laws of motion. You claim there have been many experiments that falsify these "laws", so cite one. :chin:
  • Dualism and the conservation of energy
    "Inmaterialism" is immaterial and, as Advaita Vedanta teaches, "dualism" is maya. Why do we keep on flogging this perennial hobby horse?
  • Dualism and the conservation of energy
    Psychoceramic Tribbles. :yikes:
  • What are you listening to right now?
    because the world is round
    it turns me on
    because the world is round

    because the wind is high
    it blows my mind
    because the wind is high

    love is old, love is new
    love is all, love is you

    because the sky is blue
    it makes me cry
    because the sky is blue

    "Because" (2:45)
    Abbey Road, 1969
    writers, Lennon-McCartney
    The Beatles
  • Dualism and the conservation of energy
    The scientific ignorance, philosophical illiteracy and poor reasoning on display in this thread from the OP onwards are staggering and, no doubt, endemic. Alan Sokal et al would have a field day with this clown show.
  • A Scientific Theory of Consciousness
    Well, "legitimate physicists" aren't really smart or learned enough to follow the "deliberations" (above) of TPF's Quantum-Woo Crew, now are they?
  • James Webb Telescope
    The Carl Sagan Observatory 2034?

    https://youtu.be/BIgQpXObjFI
  • Deep Songs
    :fire:


    "Born Under a Bad Sign" (7:37)
    Blues (compilation), 1994
    writers, Booker T. Jones & William Bell, 1967
    performers, Jimi Hendrix, Billy Cox & Buddy Miles, 1969
  • Dualism and the conservation of energy
    Metaphysician Undercover doesn't believe in instantaneous velocity. Hence it is not wise to spend time considering his views on matters involving physics.Banno
    :up: :up:
  • Dualism and the conservation of energy
    @Bartricks :eyes:

    The argument remains that if spirit has an impact on the physical world, then it does work and hence uses energy. That is, if spirit has an impact on the physical world then it is part of physics. Any posited dualism collapses.Banno
    :up:
  • US Midterms
    Fuck me, suppose Kevin McCarthy can't get to 218 in January ...

    https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/757431
  • Joe Biden (+General Biden/Harris Administration)
    Whst do you think? If McCarthy can't win the Speakership outright because of the MAGA Caucus, so by hook or by crook, Trump gets voted in as Speaker of the House in January (effectively neutralizing Fedetal prosecutions since he'd again be a constitutional officer, separation of powers, etc)? :chin: :yikes:
  • Dualism and the conservation of energy
    More or less standard terminology used by (most) contemporary Western philosophers (to which I've referred):

    Property dualism

    Substance dualism

    Pro-tio: Making up your own, idosyncratic terms / definitions almost always confuses more than it clarifies the issue.
  • Why Metaphysics Is Legitimate
    When a thinker induces generalizations from scientific premises, theories and experimental data, s/he is a metaphysician.ucarr
    :up:
  • Dualism and the conservation of energy
    The "dualism" referred to in the OP and (mostly) discussed throughout this thread is substance dualism. I assumed that is also what you meant by "dualism". If I was mistaken and you are a property dualist instead, then my criticism doesn't apply. However, at best, as far as I can tell, you are conflating substance with property.