• Philosophy vs Science
    ↪A Christian Philosophy
    You shifted goalposts from norms (re: talking about the scientific method) to claims (re: talking about "talking about the scientific method").
  • Authenticity and Identity: What Does it Mean to Find One's 'True' Self?
    ↪Jack Cummins
    :up: In my understanding, no self entails no "true self" as well. How do you square anatta with your question about the "true self"?
  • Is it possible for a non spiritual to think about metaphysical topics without getting depressed?
    ↪Skalidris
    So you assume the "meaning of life" is that there is an afterlife we ought to prepare ourselves for in someway and furthermore also assume that we will a find the "meaning of the afterlife" (e.g. preparing for the after-afterlife) in the afterlife, is that it?
  • Authenticity and Identity: What Does it Mean to Find One's 'True' Self?
    ↪Jack Cummins
    What do you make of the Buddhist idea of anattā^^?

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anatt%C4%81 ^^
  • Reverse racism/sexism
    Racism is the animus of 'racial prejudice' historically force multiplied by policies and practices of government, business and/or religion (re: socioeconomic scapegoating). Those who do not deliberately oppose – who advocate, administer and/or enjoy the benefits of the legacies of – racism are racists.

    'Racial prejudice' is a mode of cultivated tribalism (i.e. zerosum anti-cosmopolitanism aka "us-or-themism"). Some Individuals outgrow this vice but most do not.

    Corollary: Merely personal 'racial prejudice' by the oppressed against her oppressor, while it may be tribal, cannot be "racist" (re: the delusion (cui bono?) of "reverse racism"). Racism is the theory and practice – ideology – of the oppressor and his functionaries. Denying this (i.e. a simplified summation of more than a century of well-documented, cross-cultural social researches) is an unmistakable tell. :mask:

    Note: Btw, substitute 'target categories' of sex, class, sect, color ... for race and the bureaucratic modalities of 'systemic discrimination' are as apparent as they are familiar.
  • James Webb Telescope
    ↪javi2541997
    :clap: :grin:
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    ↪Benkei
    There's no question that Individual-1 committed tax fraud, it's just a matter of time before he personally is criminally indicted. The Trump Organization's trial for 15 tax-related felonies starts on October 24 in Manhattan and Individual-1 & his offspring are the corporate principals. The NYS Attorney General's turn at criminally prosecuting him & co comes after she wins the civil suit for defrauding the state of New York out of millions USD in taxes, etc.

    https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2022/08/letitia-jamess-trump-investigation-is-nearing-its-endgame
  • Philosophy vs Science
    ↪jorndoe
    :up:
  • Reverse racism/sexism
    Did caucasians & asians flee Africa or did they just decide to explore and ended up where they are now? — Agent Smith
    Africans left africa in migratory waves over hundreds to thousands of millennia and this primeval African diaspora adapted over hundreds-thousands of generations to environments different from Africa and subject to different evolutionary stressors (perhaps mating with non-African hominid "cousins"). Our mitochondrial DNA does not lie. :fire:
  • Philosophy vs Science
    ↪A Christian Philosophy
    You're moving the goalposts. A common tell for all to see that you realize you've been found out either not knowing what you're talking about or disingenously holding on to falsehoods / nonsense. :roll:
  • Did the big bang happen?
    ↪TiredThinker
    :nerd:
    https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/714732
    And if you can't take my (link's) word for it, consider these youtubes:

  • Searching for meaning in suffering
    How then are we to find meaning in suffering when the latter negates the former? — Agent Smith
    By your reasoning, "a "meaning of suffering" is that suffering destroys meaning (like fire necessarily burning itself out)?
  • Reverse racism/sexism
    ↪Bitter Crank
    :brow: :up:
  • Is it possible for a non spiritual to think about metaphysical topics without getting depressed?
    This is what Nietzsche meant when he spoke about the inherent nihilism in Christianity. — Janus
    :up:
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    Make
    Attorneys
    Get
    Attorneys!

    ↪Merkwurdichliebe
    True ...

    However, Individual-1 is a proven traitor and so it's incumbent on the +81 million of us who weren't brain-dead enough to have voted in 2020 to reelect this malfeasant venal man-baby to make an "unprecedented" example of him. :victory: :mask:

    FYI – I'm (we're) waiting on pending indictments to drop in (one at least before the midterm elections in November)
    • Federal DoJ investigation of "2020 fake electors conspiracy"
    • Federal DoJ investigation of "2020-2021 J6 insurrection conspiracy and obstruction of justice"
    • Fulton County, GA DA's investigation of "2020 suborning election fraud & fake electors conspiracy"
    • (pending) New York State AG investigation of "2002-2016 tax, insurance, bank, etc fraud ..." for which Individual-1 & co are currently being civilly sued by the NYS AG
    • Federal DoJ investigation of "2021-2022 espionage, obstruction of justice, etc ..."
    • (so far – stay tuned!)     — 2022-23 Trumpster fire
    as well as release (leak) of Putin's Bitch's embarrassing & damning tax returns – also (I hope) before the midterm elections – along with the J6 Select Committee's Preliminary Report. :clap:

    My
    Ass
    Got
    Arrested!
  • Is it possible for a non spiritual to think about metaphysical topics without getting depressed?
    ↪Skalidris
    So what is "the meaning of afterlife"?
  • Authenticity and Identity: What Does it Mean to Find One's 'True' Self?
    ↪Pantagruel
    :ok:
  • The End of the Mechanistic Worldview
    ↪Yohan
    Non sequitur bullshit :lol:
  • The Postmodern Nietzsche
    ↪Fooloso4
    :up:
  • Having purpose?
    What does it mean to give oneself purpose? — TiredThinker
    Nothing more than "I gave myself an enema". :mask:
  • Authenticity and Identity: What Does it Mean to Find One's 'True' Self?
    ↪Pantagruel
    Yeah, but "optimum" for what?
  • Searching for meaning in suffering
    ↪Agent Smith
    I'd say the c99% of all extinct species (with complex nervous systems) might have suffered more than h. sapiens to the degree suffering had killed them off. I'm convinced most mammals are natally bonded via degrees of suffering. Also, 'metacognition' is an artifact of a fortuitous aptitude for linguistic abstraction that facilitates collaborative simulations of (scheming for) multiple scenarios without (or with less) suffering.
  • Searching for meaning in suffering
    ↪Agent Smith
    I still disagree. Suffering solicits others. My death afflicts others. :point:

    https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/705435
  • Is it possible for a non spiritual to think about metaphysical topics without getting depressed?
    My question is: is it possible to bypass that unpleasant feeling without some kind of spiritual theory that gives life a meaning? — Skalidris
    Yes, of course. I can't think of anything more "unpleasant" (i.e. enslaving) than a totalitarian "meaning of life". Besides, "the afterlife" only kicks the can by begging the question of the "meaning of the afterlife."

    NB: The only ultimate answer to the ultimate Why-question that does not beg the question is that there is no ultimate answer, especially for proximate beings like us. The meaning of a song comes in losing oneself – one's worries, sadness or fears – while singing it and not that the song ends. The journey is the destination suffices. :fire:

    edit:

    Let's say there is a proven "afterlife": how does the "afterlife" "give meaning" to this life above and beyond the ways I (attempt to) make my life meaningful to myself and maybe others while I'm still alive?

    I do not see how it does. :chin:
  • Searching for meaning in suffering
    ↪Agent Smith
    :smirk:
  • Philosophy vs Science
    ↪A Christian Philosophy
    Non sequitur. "Verification" applies to propositions (i.e. claims) As I've pointed out, "the scientific method" is a an archive of procedural practices of unparalleled fecundity and not a proposition.
  • Searching for meaning in suffering
    Suffering.
    Nature is indifferent to human life.

    To the degree one acquires adaptive habits in spite of (spurred on by) one's suffering, whatever has been suffered was *purposeful.

    When one suffers purposefully, psychologically one correlates suffering's purpose with the simultaneously acquired adaptive habit's "inherent value".

    One suffers doubly whenever one suffers without *purpose.
    Thus, "value" is manifested by habits (virtues) which reduce net suffering (disvalue).

    :death: :flower:
  • Philosophy vs Science
    ↪Gnomon
    Anyone without a dogmatic mindeset who bothers to read both of the links I've provided will learn that the idea of, what Fred Hoyle derisively called, the "Big Bang" germinated a number of times in the half-millennia or so before Fr. Lemaître's conjecture. There's nothing "obscure" in my post to the philosophically and scientifically literate. I'd go an even a further step way back to a millenium before the Christian hegemony (beginning with the Dark Ages) and point out that Democritus speculates this (in sum): the universe came to be as a complex assembly of swirling atoms that is also disassembling and possibly recombing into other universes (c5th century BCE). Never heard of Democritus? or atomic cosmogenesis? or classical atomism? :lol:
  • Reverse racism/sexism
    ↪NOS4A2
    :lol:
  • Philosophy vs Science
    ↪Agent Smith
    Probably. :up:
  • Philosophy vs Science
    E.g. the scientific method cannot be defended empirically — A Christian Philosophy
    Sure it can be defended – it works. The scientific method consists of an archive of practices, and is not a proposition. Compare modern medicine to "faith healing": the latter does not work anywhere nearly as well, or reliably, as the former. After all, as the abductive saying goes: nothing fails like prayer. :eyes:
  • Reverse racism/sexism
    No one is racist until they systemically persecute someone in 180 Proof‘s clown world. — NOS4A2
    You just made @_db's case, trumpt_rd. :clap:
  • The Postmodern Nietzsche
    ↪apokrisis
    :clap:

    Isn't that how we ended up with Trump? — Tom Storm
    Yep. The first p0m0 president; maybe not the last.
  • Reverse racism/sexism
    @NOS4A2 is still
    equivocating personal prejudice with systemic persecution, treating the former with the same level of seriousness as the latter. — _db
    Some rather spout alt-Right/MAGA "talking points" than reason about (their) uncomfortably unexamined bigotries. :brow:
  • The Postmodern Nietzsche
    ↪schopenhauer1
    Like I said, you need to read better translations. Also, you seem to have an affinity for Artie's bourgeois world-weary Nein-sagen, schop1, and antipathy for Freddy's bohemian Ja-sagen approbation of the tragicomedy of life and nature. As for Emil Cioran, he's the stand-up comedian of philosophical cynicism – a twentieth century Diogenes in many ways – who is even funnier than Freddy. I prefer his (& Clément Rosset's) pessimistic bon mots to Artie's renunciative grousing.
  • The Postmodern Nietzsche
    Nietzsche’s self-obscurantist style — schopenhauer1
    You need to read better translations or Freddy's lyrical German prose. Artie's writings are less lyrical German composed in a Humean style but, IMO, they possess no greater clarity or expressive power than Freddy''s; however, they have the advantage of being more explicitly, or closely, reasoned than Freddy's aphoristic & essayistic works. If you don't read German, very good English translations are indepensible.
  • Philosophy vs Science
    ... a Catholic priest proposed a controversial scientific point-of-origin hypothesis. Shortly afterward, Astronomical evidence for expansion of everything from a single speck of space-time began to pile-up. — Gnomon
    Robert Grosseteste¹ was not a 20th century "Catholic priest" but a 13th century Bishop. (re: De Luce, 1225 CE)²

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Grosseteste ¹
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Big_Bang_theory ²
  • Reverse racism/sexism
    Chill out already you privileged [self-entitled, narcissistic] fucks. — _db
    :100: :up:
  • The Postmodern Nietzsche
    ↪Fooloso4
    :fire:

    An appropriately "radical" one [reading] would be one that gets to the roots, not one that pushes it to the edge. — Fooloso4
    :100:

    ↪Joshs
    No doubt. And you're entitled to your subjective interpretation (i.e. "characterization") of my own. In p0m0, after all, everybody's esteem gets stroked with a "gold star for attendance". :smirk:

    ↪Paine
    :up:
  • Authenticity and Identity: What Does it Mean to Find One's 'True' Self?
    Relationships are dependencies - of exploitation and/or care. The more one is engaged with the world and others, and the less one is concerned [obsessed] with oneself ... — unenlightened
    :fire:
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