False trichotomy. Jesus was also either misquoted or a fictional character. :halo:Lewis's trilemma
Jesus was either Liar, Lunatic or Lord! — Agent Smith
https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/721614What about when a person does the right thing because he thinks it serves his inte[re]sts? — Merkwurdichliebe
Instrumental reasoning.What kind of reasoning is it when an individual does something that serves his own ends because [non sequitur]. — Merkwurdichliebe
:100:And when it comes to moral reasons, they are a subset of normative reasons. A reason to do something because it serves one's own ends - so a reason generated by one's own interests rather than those of another - is called an 'instrumental' reason, not a moral reason. They are both from Reason. — Bartricks
:up: In other words, as a disciple of Sunzi once said: "A man's got to know his limitations."The gate to the Oracle at Delphi bore this inscription : "gnothi seauton" (know thyself). That kind of "direct" (introspective) gnosis is indeed necessary for wisdom. — Gnomon
:100:But, pretending to know something via indirect channels -- hidden from Reason & human eyes -- may be wise like a wiley serpent. The ancient Gnostics got a bad reputation for claiming to reveal occult esoteric spiritual truths that are necessary for salvation. And that tactic worked well on gullible people, who put their trust in con-men. But philosophical wisdom must be amenable to Reason, and not just taken on Faith.
I don't want to believe. I want to know. — Carl Sagan
I do not want to found anything on the incomprehensible. I want to know whether I can live with what I know and with that alone. — Albert Camus
Deus, sive natura naturans. — Benedict Spinoza
What I know, what is certain, what I cannot deny, what I cannot reject — this is what counts. I can negate everything of that part of me that lives on vague nostalgias, except this desire for unity, this longing to solve, this need for clarity and cohesion. I can refute everything in this world surrounding me that offends or enraptures me, except this chaos, this sovereign chance and this divine equivalence which springs from anarchy. I don’t know whether this world has a meaning that transcends it. But I know that I do not know that meaning and that it is impossible for me just now to know it. What can a meaning outside my condition mean to me? I can understand only in human terms. What I touch, what resists me — that is what I understand. And these two certainties — my appetite for the absolute and for unity and the impossibility of reducing this world to a rational and reasonable principle — I also know that I cannot reconcile them. What other truth can I admit without lying, without bringing in a hope I lack and which means nothing within the limits of my condition? — Albert Camus
That which is [harmful] to you, do not do to anyone. — Hillel the Elder
:mask:On January 6th Donald Trump was not the leader of the country, he was the leader of the coup. — Glenn Kirschner, fmr Federal Prosecutor, July 22, 2022
:fire: :up:My systems science approach is predicated on global constraints that produce local stability. [ ... ] So fixed points are important as the emergently stable invariances of a physical system. The symmetries that anchor the structure of the self-reconstituting whole.
This is the guts of physical theory. — apokrisis
No no, sir, your "testimony" contradicts (i.e. defeats) itself – that is my testimony. :sweat:... "your honor, the prosecution witness' testimony contradictsthe defense witness' testimony. Therefore, [ ... ] I rest my case" — Gnomon
I agree "M > P" which, to me, implies that M – P = nothing but extrinsic, mere possibilities, which necessarily cannot be actualized – necessarily are not actual – à la Spinoza's first kind of knowledge.M = set of mental objects and P = set of physical objects. — Agent Smith
:up:Why would assume I am the only one to survive? If I survived I am quite sure others have as well. — Athena
The object of both is life; however, the latter explains life's variations (re: descent via natural selection) whereas the former does not explain anything ("god did it").I realize creationism is baseless, but its purpose is common somehow with evolution. — TiredThinker
Objectivity does not negate or even threaten / undermine "subjectivies"; it simply refers to an epistemic status, so to speak, what I refer to as subject(ivity)-invariant (as well as pov / language / gauge —invariant), or a truth-value which does not vary with "different subjectivies" – truth-values which are the same for all "subjectivities". As I pointed out to Agent SmithThe question of objectivity is a difficult one because human life is comprised of different subjectivities. — Jack Cummins
are truths which are the same for every "subjectivity" (though, almost certainly, they mean different things to different subjects). I don't see what makes "the question of objectivity ... difficult."e.g. A = A;
you were not born before your parents;
there are more real numbers than integers; etc... — 180 Proof
True. I should have written 'the map = territory fallacy" by which I mean idealists tendency for confusing – conflating – epistemology (i.e. what I/we know) & ontology (i.e. what there is), that is, there is not anything more than what I/we can 'experience'.The map / territory distinction is not a fallacy — Tobias
Always the Hegelian. That's the fallacy / incoherence of idealism I mean.it is just that there are maps all the way down. There is no territory.
No. The concept "collection" subsists.Sets are collections. An apple is a collection of atoms. So apples "subsist"? — litewave
:fire:All that said, since these questions are most likely unanswerable, it would seem to have no bearing on how we choose to live our lives and what values we choose to enact. — Janus
:up: More precisely: 'how you think and do what you think and do matters' ...So my guess is that what you do matters, not what you believe — Tom Storm
Interesting. I can't think of a philosophy in which life is not significant in some way :chin:I guess what I’m asking is, do you think the difference between a philosophy that makes a place for the significance of life, and one that doesn’t, is significant? — Wayfarer
How about ...I'm interested in the possibility of a cosmic philosophy.
