• TPF Quote Cabinet
    Adiós, Padre. :fire:

    Contemporary man has begun to lose his naiveté as ... the deep causes of the situation in which he finds himself are becoming clearer. He realizes that to attack these deep causes is the indispensable prerequisite for radical change. And so he has gradually abandoned a simple reformist attitude regarding the existing social order, for, by its very shallowness this reformism perpetuates the existing system.

    *

    It has become ever clearer that underdevelopment is the end result of a process. Therefore, it must be studied from a historical perspective, that is, in relationship to the development and expansion of the great capitalist countries. The underdevelopment of the poor countries, as an overall social fact, appears in its true light: as the historical by-product of the development of other countries. The dynamics of the capitalist economy lead to the establishment of a center and a periphery, simultaneously generating progress and growing wealth for the few and social imbalances, political tensions, and poverty for the many.
    — Fr. Gustavo Gutiérrez, founder of liberation theology, d. 2024
  • US Election 2024 (All general discussion)
    Abortion and democracy may be what motivates people to get out and vote— but you don’t really know that, nor do I.Mikie
    You've not been paying attention, bro. I know: 2017*, 2018, 2020, 2022, 2023* ... :victory: :mask:

    *special elections, referenda lost by MAGA-GOP, etc
  • US Election 2024 (All general discussion)
    Guess I’m not so crazy after all :rofl:Mikie
    Not crazy, just cynically mistaken. The 2024 US election is about (1) whether or not this should be the last US election and (2) whether or not women in the US should have the inallienable right of bodily autonomy (i.e. unrestricted access to reproductive healthcare); this election is not principally about mere policy preferences (re: taxes, immigration, foreign policy, military spending, climate change, etc). As a Bernie Bro since the '90s, I ask you, Mikie: Why else would both Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez & Liz Cheney, both Bernie Sanders & Dick Cheney endorse Harris-Walz?

    https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/941886

    :victory:

    >>> Roevember 12
  • US Election 2024 (All general discussion)
    23October24

    re: Diaper Don The Fascist Clown (a convicted felon as well as an adjudicated rapist & fraudster, who 'self-described racists' believe is also a racist, and who everyday wears more make-up than a drag queen) – another character reference from a former senior Republican:
    Well, looking at the definition of fascism: It’s a far-right authoritarian, ultranationalist political ideology and movement characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy. So certainly, in my experience, those are the kinds of things that he thinks would work better in terms of running America.

    Certainly the former president is in the far-right area, he’s certainly an authoritarian, admires people who are dictators — he has said that. So he certainly falls into the general definition of fascist, for sure.
    — John Kelly, retired 4-Star General USMC and former Trump WH Chief of Staff

    >>> Roevember 13
  • Where is AI heading?
    Consider this link to a discussion on AI (if you haven't already):

    https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/941212

    Thoughts?
  • US Election 2024 (All general discussion)
    "47" is thirteen months younger than me (which is a(nother) first). Happy 60th today! :party:
  • US Election 2024 (All general discussion)
    :up: Here in Washington State we got our early ballots yesterday. I dropped mine off today.
  • US Election 2024 (All general discussion)
    19October24

    I voted today against fascism! :victory: :mask:

    >>> Roevember 17
  • A model of everything
    A model of everythingCarlo Roosen
    Since your "model" is merely "conceptual", self-consistently it cannot explain, or encompass, "fundamental reality" or "consciousness", and therefore, does not "model everything".

    Also, time (e.g. "conceptual reality is past", etc) is not fundamental (re: QFT & GR).

    Lastly, even if we could, why would we build a suboptimal bottleneck (re: "consciousness") into a self-modeling metacognitive adaptive system?
  • US Election 2024 (All general discussion)
    :sweat: Sounds like you drank the Polymarket kool-aid, mate.

    What "suspense"? "Muppet B" is crashing and burning today even worse than he did from early voting in 2020. :victory: :mask:
  • Israel killing civilians in Gaza and the West Bank
    @BitconnectCarlos

    And now if HAMAS kills all of the remainimg hostages in retaliation for taking out the terrorist Sinwar, do you expect the war criminal Netanyahu to agree to an immediate ceasefire in Gaza? :shade:
  • Atheism about a necessary being entails a contradiction
    Then you wouldn't be an atheist about a necessary entity and you wouldn't commit the contradiction.
    — Hallucinogen

    You are misusing the term "atheist". An atheist is someone who believes that no deities exist [outside of the heads of true believers].
    Michael
    :up:
  • US Election 2024 (All general discussion)
    Today in Trumpenfreude




    Trending ...

    :victory: :mask:

    I wonder if Diaper Don The Fascist Clown will watch the FOX Noise interview with VPOTUS tonight? :smirk:

    >>> Roevember 20

    @Wayfarer @Fooloso4 @Benkei @jorndoe
  • The Empty Suitcase: Physicalism vs Methodological Naturalism
    It appears to me that you [@Baden] miss the point. Physicalism is a metaphysical theory, not a scientific theory. All coherent metaphysical theories are unfalsifiable. It's certainly reasonable to remain agnostic to metaphysical theories ...Relativist
    :100:

    Metaphysical naturalism (or physicalism) fills in the gap that scientism leaves. Of course, it's not necessarily true, but it does defeat the claim (of some theists) that we "need" supernaturalism to account for aspects of the world.
    :up: :up:
  • US Election 2024 (All general discussion)
    Roevember 21
    — 180 Proof

    What does this mean?
    Mikie
    21 days until Roevember election day (i.e. the Harris-Walz blowout).
  • US Election 2024 (All general discussion)
    15October24

    https://www.cookpolitical.com/survey-research/2024-swing-state-project/02Oct2024-toplines

    Likely Voters in 7 swing states (Oct 2024):

    "H 49% v T 48%"

    If T overcount (re: women) 2%, then

    H 49% v T 46% :victory: :mask:

    "Wishful thinking?" TBD.

    >>> Roevember 21
  • Art Lies Beyond Morality
    Rationality and its language of logic therefore are contained within the continuity_continuum of existence. The continuity_continuum of existence being the sine qua non prerequisite for reason, it can make no start outside the material theater of action. Given this fact, there can be no rational explanation for existence-itself-in-general.ucarr
    I.e. existence (reality) is the all-encompassing – eternal, unbounded – brute fact. As a pandeist, I concur :100: :up:
  • I do not pray. Therefore God exists.
    Rather than "Oramus, ergo non est deus", how about ...
    If man is imago dei

    and if the devil is imago hominis,

    then god is imago diaboli;

    ergo imagoes est. Amen.
    :sparkle: :pray:
  • US Election 2024 (All general discussion)
    ... a ridiculous unsupported prediction.Baden
    We shall see soon enough.
  • US Election 2024 (All general discussion)
    I'm just sayin' I'll do that if you're right about the national polls; what'll you do if I'm right that you're completely wrong?Baden
    I'll live in the US struggling against a neofascist regime while you and the rest of the world will be wagging your fingers and saying "I told you so." :mask:

    In 2020 Biden-Harris won the national / popular vote by 51.3% (or margin of +4.5%) against an incumbent POTUS who actively compromised the election system. 306 electors vs 232 electors (by flipping two Republican states and winning the very same three states lost by a combined 0.7% due to HRC's arrogant neglect in 2016)! My ELECTORAL COLLEGE prediction (and reasoning for it) does not deviate significantly from the 2016, 2018, 2020, 2022 trend. If I was merely "wishful thinking", mate, I wouldn't rely on center-right to right wing news media polling (and the best stats for T therein).

    But hey you go right on bloviating from the cheap seats, my friend; I'm looking forward to that photo (the more lurid the better). :smirk:
  • US Election 2024 (All general discussion)
    I don't understand your post ... but I'm now looking forward to you posting that pic. :sweat:
  • US Election 2024 (All general discussion)
    12Oct24

    Sorry 180 Proof. I’ll put money on it.Mikie
    :ok: You stick with those MAGA-GOP talking points and I'll stick with my 22Sept24 prediction¹ that Harris-Walz will win the upcoming Roevember 5th presidential election. :victory: :party:

    https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/934008 [1]

    Harris will beat Trump, says election prediction legend Allan Lichtman² :victory: :cool:180 Proof
    https://www.cnbc.com/2024/09/05/harris-trump-lichtman-election-prediction.html [2]

    (2022)
    https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/781991

    (2023)
    Also, when you say it won’t be Joe Biden as the nominee — care to bet on that too?
    — Mikie
    Like taking candy from a baby. :yum:
    180 Proof
    I (technically) have won this bet but lost the other one that Diaper Don wouldn't be the GOP nominee. The latter, however, no doubt contributed to the former. :up:

    ===========

    NB: Fwiw, since Labor Day I think it's reasonable to have read "mainstream" news media polls as follows –

    Given that Diaper Don The Fascist Clown & his MAGA-GOP Circus Cult have pissed-off the majority of (likely) women voters so much since 2018 (then doubled down on the blatant misogyny in 2022 and again this year), I guesstimate (not counting Dems campaigns' huge money & get-out-the-vote ground game advantages) woman voters' preference for Harris-Walz & Dems is undercounted by 2% and The Clown is thereby generally overcounted by 5% in "national polls" and overcounted by 2% in swing state polls, and so I read them accordingly [adjusted]; for example:

    swing states [T -2%]

    Forbes 11Oct24 (latest, best #s for T)

    AZ - T 51% [49] v H 46%
    GA - T 49% [47] v H 48%
    MI - T 45% [43] v H 47%
    NC - T 46% [44] v H 45%
    NV - T 47% [46] v H 48%
    PA - T 46% [44] v H 45%

    WI - T 48% [46] v H 46%

    Electors - T216 + 21 (max) v H229 + 72 (min) :cool:

    &

    national [T -5%, H +2%]

    FiveThirtyEight 12Oct24 national polls (avg.)

    T 46% [41] v H 48.5% [50.5]

    NYTimes 12Oct24 national polls (avg.)

    T 46% [41] v H 49% [51]

    The Economist 12Oct24 national polls (avg.)

    T 46.4% [41.4] v H 50.2% [52.2]

    Fox Noise 12Oct24 national polls (?)

    T 48% [43] v H 50% [52]

    ===========

    To date all (quality) polling trends favor Harris-Walz +270 Electoral College victory. Hyping election anxiety is great for motivating Democratic, Independent & GOP/suburban white women voter turnout / particpation. :strong: :mask:

    >>> Roevember 24
  • Atheism about a necessary being entails a contradiction
    [Y]our arguments apply (at best) only to your concepts [ ... ] The discussion seems to be about an uncaused first cause, and that's an unbreakable oxymoron. As such you can only have it if you first grant it. But then you [@Hallucinogen] have proved exactly nothing. All this worked out millennia ago. If you're just working it out for yourself, some credit to you. But the argument has long been a dead letter.tim wood
    :up: :up:
  • Atheism about a necessary being entails a contradiction
    :up: :up:

    Atheism is the rejection of theism.DingoJones
    :Period. :100:

    @Hallucingen's OP is nonsense.
  • A Functional Deism
    However, if that is ↪180 Proof's definition of Deism ...Gnomon
    Another trollish non sequitur ...

    (2022 – Gnomon is)
    https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/783863

    (2022 – as Gnomon does)
    https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/781656

    @tim wood
  • Israel killing civilians in Gaza and the West Bank
    And is there a certain type of pro-Israel Jew that you do respect?BitconnectCarlos
    Speaking for myself, I respect every pro-Isreal Jew who openly, vigourously denounces and opposes the mass murdering, ethnic cleansing, apartheid policies of the US/Nato-backed Netanyahu regime.
  • A Functional Deism
    [T]he plain bald fact of the matter is that if you [@Gnomon] do not know what it means, then your education is lacking. And not only just because you don't know what it means, but also because you don't seem to recognize that it's meaningful, or that you can easily look it up. It also means you're unfamiliar with books that commonly have comments in them in Latin, Greek, German and so forth. So while it does not say, "You're an idiot," you yourself have instead said, "I'm an idiot," and apparently proud to be.tim wood
    :clap: :sweat:
  • Israel killing civilians in Gaza and the West Bank
    The only real solution here is equal rights for Palestinians, and for Israel to become a normal, modern state where multiple ethnicities can coexist.Tzeentch
    :100: :up:

    Instead of learning from his interlocuters here, who aren't exactly dumb, he [@BitconnectCarlos] chooses to drink right wing Israeli cool aid.Benkei