As a woman, I don't feel threatened. You should take a poll, which cis gender is more opposed to dismantling stereotypes. — Vera Mont

Women have been raped by men identifying as women in prisons and women's shelters but you don't feel threatened so that's Okay.

I am not a child starving to death in poverty that doesn't mean it is not happening and that I shouldn't be concerned.

On the issue of rationality I think it is a hard concept to defend. Like morality it seems to require preexisting rules otherwise it descends into subjective preference.

On what grounds are we deciding what is rational? Maybe only choosing the truth is rational.

The current real world — TheMadMan

There are a lot of scenarios I would happily chose over the current world.

but I would not exchange the current real world for an identical world in a simulator because that would seem pointless.

I would like to know what the truth is and live in a truthful situation.

I don't think a simulation could be identical to this world otherwise we couldn't know if the "real world" was another simulation ad infinitum.

The truth seems illusive under any scenario.

If the matrix will give you all that you want and could ever want, without ever being aware that it is fabricated, would you chose the red pill? — TheMadMan

We may already be in that situation and we may never know.

If I was comfortable I would stay in the most comfortable scenario because I don't like suffering. I place a lot of value on my comfort I suppose and see no value in suffering.

This is like the Free Will issue to some extent. If we don't have free will nothing will change because we would already be living without free will.

In the matrix scenario if you left the matrix what would the alternative be? It could be better it could be worse or a completely mindf*ck.

I haven't defined it — Vera Mont

So you don't know what a trans right is but are advocating for it anyway?

And can you not see how rights can clash with each other?

For a basic example the right to play music in your house and the right for your neighbours to live in peace and quite.

These things can lead to compromises but sometimes they cannot.

people cannot escape gender stereotypes — Benkei

I don't see why we need to escape gender stereotypes.

It is fact that there are far fewer women in prisons and committing violent crime. It is a stereotype and fact that men are more aggressive. There are averages and norms which make some stereotypes quite widely applicable but never covering every single person.

A lot stereotypes are not completely nonfactual.

It is one thing to dismantle stereotypes and another to try dismantle the biological reality of women by making the category meaningless and something you can opt in an out of.

Women have now been referred to in literature as cervix havers, pregnant people and black birthing bodies.

What is being called the breaking down of stereotypes is becoming the erasure of women.

"Dan Markingson (November 25, 1976–May 8, 2004) was a young man from St. Paul, Minnesota who committed suicide in an ethically controversial psychiatric research study at the University of Minnesota while under an involuntary commitment order. For nearly eleven years, University of Minnesota officials defended the conduct of its researchers, despite significant public criticism,[1][2] numerous news reports,[3][4][5][6][7] and pressure for an external investigation.[8][9][10][11] In March 2015, however, an investigation by a state watchdog agency found a number of alarming ethical violations in the case, including serious conflicts of interest and financial incentives, poor oversight of the study, pressure on Markingson to join the study while he was in a highly vulnerable state, and a series of misleading public statements by university officials.[12] Shortly afterward, the university suspended recruitment into psychiatric research studies. On April 9, 2015, Charles Schulz, MD, announced his resignation as Chair of the Department of Psychiatry.[13]

Because of the many ethical issues involved in Markingson's story, it is now used as a case study in many university bioethics courses.[14]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Dan_Markingson

trans rights — Vera Mont

What is a trans right?

And how are they not covered by basic human rights?

Unfortunately what is not being explicitly said is that one sex wants the right to things that are for the other sex such as single sex spaces (including women's shelters) and single sex sports, gay male spaces, gay spaces etc. This is in conflict with women's rights and dignity such as not undressing in front of a male bodied person in a changing room and not being physically intimately examined by a male bodied person etc.

What has happened in Scotland is men can now identify as women without a gender recognition certificate, without having "lived as a woman" or presented as female for any specific length of time" and without having had any surgeries. Which has compromised women's security and is Going to be challenged by the British Government.

In contrast gay people have the right to marry and that in no way compromises straight marriages or the right of other people to get married.

Knut Nordby — Andrew4Handel

"Knut was called the most famous rod monochromat in the world, but he was also a scientist. Having this condition gave him great understanding of both sides of achromatopsia, the scientific and the personal experience. When Francis Futterman connected Knut Nordby with Oliver Sacks, neuroscientist and writer, the result was the amazing trip to the Island of the Color Blind and the book that not only chronicled their trip but brought an understanding of achromatopsia to the world.


“My first clear memories seem all to be connected with nights and evenings, or they occur indoors in subdued lighting. As far back as I can remember, I have always avoided bright light and direct sunlight as much as possible. Photographs taken of me, and my siblings, during our childhood normally show us with nearly shut eyes, usually looking away from the sun, except when photographers demanded that we look towards the sun for the pictures. As a child I preferred playing indoors with the curtains drawn, in cellars, attics and barns or outdoors when it was overcast, in the evenings, or at night.”


Knut Nordby Vision of a Complete Achromat, A personal Account, Night Vision R.F. Hess, L.T. & K. Nordby


Knut Nordby passed away April 19, 2005 from Amyotrophic lateral sclerosis, ALS. Knut continued to work to the very end when he lost his courageous battle with ALS. He faced his situation with great courage."

http://www.achromatopsia.info/knut-nordby-achromatopsia-p/

The problem of consciousness is hard because we have no explanation of how we can be consciousness.

There is no causal explanation. (There is also no agreed upon definition of consciousness)

Also physical explanations are ruled out because mind or the mental are defined against the physical.

Pointing out which brain regions activate when I am seeing red does tell us anything about the colour nor do the light/EM wavelengths. Knut Nordby an achromatic colour scientist who learnt a lot about the physiology and psychology of colour vision but never experienced the colour red or anything beyond achromaticism.

All this is heavily discussed in the philosophy of mind and to some extent in neuro science.

When a biological male is trying to be a woman what is he attempting to be and how?

What are these womanly attributes?

If there are womanly attributes where do they come from?

You just happen to be wrong about this. It used to be a crime to commit acts of sodomy; now it is not, here in the UK. — unenlightened

Homosexuality was considered harmful but there was a lack of evidence for this just like it was considered a mental disorder but there was a lack of evidence for that.

If something is proven totally harmless and is still a crime then either it will be made legal or it's being labelled criminal will be inexplicable.

We can argue about what is objectively harmful to what subject. — unenlightened

If a criminal is harmed by a punishment that is a fact. If you are harmed by having surgery that is a fact. If the punishment or surgery has long term benefits it will be a short term harm for long term gain.


We are getting into rabbit whole territory now because if anything can deemed harmful and the same thing can be considered not harmful we have a contradiction (possibly due to subjectivity) That would fatally undermine all value claims.

The danger there is that I could take a course of action that harms other people but could not called out on it because my perception is final.
That does make me think that maybe people don't value you woman's traits because they are frightened of things like warmth and care and nurturing for maybe Freudian reasons. We value stoicism and self reliance because we are frightened people and they are the easiest paths to take.

Does any remember the furore about comparing trans racialism to transgender and blackface to woman face.

"The American Humanist Association has withdrawn its humanist of the year award from Richard Dawkins, 25 years after he received the honour, criticising the academic and author for “demean[ing] marginalised groups” using “the guise of scientific discourse”.

The AHA honoured Dawkins, whose books include The Selfish Gene and The God Delusion, in 1996 for his “significant contributions” in communicating scientific concepts to the public. On Monday, it announced that it was withdrawing the award, referring to a tweet sent by Dawkins earlier this month, in which he compared trans people to Rachel Dolezal, the civil rights activist who posed as a black woman for years.

“In 2015, Rachel Dolezal, a white chapter president of NAACP, was vilified for identifying as Black,” wrote Dawkins on Twitter. “Some men choose to identify as women, and some women choose to identify as men. You will be vilified if you deny that they literally are what they identify as. Discuss.”

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2021/apr/20/richard-dawkins-loses-humanist-of-the-year-trans-comments

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_Dolezal

Nkechi Amare Diallo (/nɪˈkeɪtʃiː əˈmɑːreɪ diːˈɑːloʊ/; born Rachel Anne Dolezal, November 12, 1977)[fn 1] (/ˈdoʊləʒɑːl/)[9] is an American former college instructor and activist known for identifying as a transracial black woman. In addition to claiming black ancestry, she also claimed Native American descent.[10] She is also a former National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP) chapter president.

The International Classification of Diseases (ICD-10) lists several disorders related to gender identity:[32][33]

Transsexualism (F64.0): Desire to live and be accepted as a member of the opposite sex, usually accompanied by a desire for surgery and hormonal treatment
Gender identity disorder of childhood (F64.2): Persistent and intense distress about one's assigned gender, manifested prior to puberty
Other gender identity disorders (F64.8)
Gender identity disorder, unspecified (F64.9)
Sexual maturation disorder (F66.0): Uncertainty about one's gender identity or sexual orientation, causing anxiety or distress

The American Psychiatric Association permits a diagnosis of gender dysphoria in adolescents or adults if two or more of the following criteria are experienced for at least six months' duration

In addition, the condition must be associated with clinically significant distress or impairment

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_dysphoria#Diagnosis

It is a social construct, because crime is a social construct created by law. — unenlightened

Crime is anti social behaviour and harmful regardless of whether it is made legal. The crimes men are committing are objectively harmful.

My point is that we should be celebrating whatever makes women behave more pro socially, more caring and less violent even if these things were being created by socialisation.

You could take the view everything is a construct and that constructs are deterministic or that biology is deterministic and we will never be able to change one way or the other.

Therefore, insofar as the topic is positive essential characteristics of females, there is nothing to be said. Any positivity is a social construct, as is the negativity. One might think that reproductive ability is an essential positive, but the existence of abortion legal or illegal, and the stigmatisation of offspring born out of wedlock contradicts this. — unenlightened

I specifically said traits associated with women whether they are invented or real.
The issue was celebrating traits associated with women which has led to people denying such traits exist.
I then pointed out that women consistently behave less antisocially than men and that the top hundred most highly rated movies are almost all about mens experience's

Women committing less crime and carrying and caring for children is not a social construct. If people value human life and aren't antinatalist then the fact that we all grew inside a woman and only biological women can carry and grow a child is very relevant fact. It is one of the reasons women are more vulnerable in some ways and you would imagine it would raise the value of women but it has not.
You don't need to vilify men altogether to recognise that their biological traits can be harmful when misdirected.

This reads to me like an expression of disgust towards trans and gender non-conforming bodies. While your confusion toward all this is understandable - the issue is complex, expressing yourself in this manner is not. You must keep it respectful. — fdrake

Then you seem to have ignored most of what I have written

"For Ritchie Herron, a bright and articulate civil servant from Newcastle, life over the past four years has become almost unbearable.It takes him ten minutes to empty his bladder, a process as painful as it is slow. Any sex drive is long gone. In fact, he says, his crotch is numb, ‘shell-shocked’ from the damage done to him under the apparent care of the NHS."

Battling mental health issues – and after decades of suppressing his homosexuality – Ritchie, 35, had thought the answer was to become a woman. But instead, he says, he was fast-tracked into making ‘the biggest mistake of his life’ and left infertile, incontinent and with ongoing pain. — Andrew4Handel

"But soon after the operation was complete in 2015 in his mid-20s,Shape Shifter quickly realized he had made a terrible mistake, and that he was just a gay man who enjoyed presenting in a feminine way.

The procedures he has undergone - which include the removal of his penis and the creation of a 'neo-vagina' are irreversible. — Andrew4Handel

As I said I can cite many more cases of outspoken gay men who identified as trans and had their penis removed and now regret and in some cases immediately after the surgery. And people are bizarrely saying the surgeries are not genital mutilation are not sterilising people and denying the terrible effect this having on people due to external and internalised homophobia.

So you are lying about my contributions unfortunately.

I am a gay person with religious relatives who grew up in a religious cult, has not had a romantic relationship another man. I ended up with chronic sexual dysfunction due to my upbringing and paranoia about sex. I was also born with only one testicle that has now disappeared back inside my body so I have an empty scrotum. I am not speaking from place of heterosexuality or privilege. Myself and other gay and bi people are protesting about what has happened to the gay community and women's rights.

LGB has now become LGBTQIA+ gay people have been accused of committing sexual apartheid. There are few gay only spaces left. Same sex attraction is being attacked and lesbians are being harassed to sleep with women with penises, men with vaginas or Phalloplasties are turning up at gay saunas and crying when they get rejected by gay men.. Grooming is taking place. We are gay we have been there we are documenting it we know. Our community is compromised, at war and ruined and becoming criminal.

I think it is a major issue relating to the truth and even the love of the truth. I've outlined numerous issues on here........ however............

I thought philosophy was The Love of Knowledge and was really concerned about the nature of truth and reality.

To me censoring or vilifying people for misgendering people and making me or others call a Male "She" or a Female "He" is undermining the quest for truth and transparency and authenticity.

It is Undermining people personal beliefs it is engaging in a reality denying exercise and trying to suck society in to it. Getting people to deny their senses when they see a male looking person enter a women toilets. Gaslighting people.
I have called people who are clearly male "she" to be kind and this was before people started chanting "Trans men are men" and demanded we view trans and biological sex as interchangeable and equivalent.

It is a major assault on the truth. It is not a trivial or solely personal issue it effects relationships between people and peoples children are being told they can be born in the wrong body and set on the course for sterilisation and becoming a life long medical patient.

My being gay does not hinge on the approval of others it is not propped up by making people have particular thoughts about me.
Telling people they are hateful for not believing a man can become a woman, opposing child transition and destructive genital surgeries
that is a major psychological exercise at undermining peoples sense of reason and strongly held reality beliefs to follow what amounts to a personal and group religious ideology of invisible gender souls.

Yikes. More nonsense. They are legitimate (and quite safe) medical interventions, not "genital mutilation" (else doctors would not be allowed to perform them — busycuttingcrap

They should not be allowed to perform them in my opinion. Are you unaware that medics have been highly unethical throughout history and committed lots of acts now considered torture and malpractice?

How would you describe the slicing up of a penis other than mutilation? It categorical cannot be turned into a vagina (which is a muscular canal) so what is it being turned into?

Lili Elbe is one of the most famous trans women in history.

"In 1931, she had her fourth surgery, to transplant a uterus and construct a vaginal canal.[6][7][32][5] This made her one of the earliest transgender women to undergo a vaginoplasty surgery, a few weeks after Erwin Gohrbandt performed the experimental procedure on Dora Richter.[26]

Death
Elbe's immune system rejected the transplanted uterus, and the operation and a subsequent surgical revision caused infection, which led to her death from cardiac arrest on 13 September 1931, three months after the surgery"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lili_Elbe

No man has had a successful uterus transplant and this one killed Lili

Except, again, its unreasonable to expect people to just unlearn a lifetime of habituation and social expectation/performance at the drop of a hat. Why would we expect it to work that way? — busycuttingcrap

When someone commits to being and a vegan they cut all animal products out of their life. And even If they occasionally slip up and eat animal products they still eat far less than non vegans because they are highly motivated to. You should expect a substantial difference logically.

Have you heard of Autogynophilia?

Disgust is sometimes an appropriate emotion. It can be a sign of rationality, ethical sense and confronting dysfunction and injustice.

The only thing in this which forms any sort of argument is a disgust reaction, your disgust — fdrake

I think you saying this is very harmful.

Phalloplasty and Vaginoplasty are literally genital mutilation extreme genital mutilation which stops the organs from function and makes them infertile. More severe than widely condemned FGM female genital mutilation.

The low levels of regret are obviously highly suspect because most surgeries should have a substantial level regret due to inevitable complications in some people. I don't know before I have a surgery if it will have complications that I may regret.

Complications but no regret is suspect as well. But knee surgery is to improve mobility and knee function.
Vaginoplasty and orchiectomy destroy function of the penis and fertility.

You are part of creating an Orwellian world to convince people black is white.

And not only is it well-documented, its just sort of obvious: if you raise boys to believe that being tough and violent and aggressive are good and desirable traits for a man to have — busycuttingcrap

Here is a study https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3693622/

Testosterone and Aggressive Behavior in Man:

"Atavistic residues of aggressive behavior prevailing in animal life, determined by testosterone, remain attenuated in man and suppressed through familial and social inhibitions. However, it still manifests itself in various intensities and forms from; thoughts, anger, verbal aggressiveness, competition, dominance behavior, to physical violence. Testosterone plays a significant role in the arousal of these behavioral manifestations in the brain centers involved in aggression and on the development of the muscular system that enables their realization. "

"There is evidence that testosterone levels are higher in individuals with aggressive behavior, such as prisoners who have committed violent crimes. "

I am not claiming no crime is affected by socialisation but that it is inadequate to account for the big discrepancies in crimes and prison populations.

From one of your articles:
"Boys learn to be men from the men in their lives, from their own experiences navigating our social norms, and from the large social and cultural context. Boys live under intensified pressure to display gender-appropriate behaviors according to the ideal male code."

...........

As I have said this is men influencing other mens behaviour based on behaviour arising in men. It is explained by men being men and influencing other men to try and attain a copycat masculinity but not based on a totally invented masculinity created by society.

I also expect that this sort of lifelong habituation and saturation of societal gender norms and expectations isn't something that can be forgotten or eliminated over night- its not like it just magically disappears the moment a trans woman transitions (wrt your previous point). — busycuttingcrap

Yes but if someone is going to a big effort to become a woman with large doses of oestrogen in their body, presenting feminine etc they are actively trying to be more like a woman which means you would expect them to be trying to follow women's patterns of behaviour. Like I mentioned above men are acting more aggressive to copy other men so if you were trying to act like a women you should logically see a diminution in male patterns of behaviour or a concerted effort.

This reads to me like an expression of disgust towards trans and gender non-conforming bodies — fdrake

What about the testimonies of trans and detrans people about their surgeries?

Like this.

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/gabriel-mac-essay.html

“The whole process is constant body horror,” Berrian said at one point — after he’d told me that the penis-tip discoloration I was worried about might just be sloughing tissue that’s dying off, which is also fine. And this was a recovery with no complications that required surgery. The overall proportion of phalloplasties that need surgical revision, while lower for some surgeons (including mine), is about one in two. The highest number of corrective follow-up surgeries needed by anyone I know personally is 12.

From Gabriel Mac trans man.

Claims of regret are actual irrelevant to the issue of whether the surgeries are ethical and whether people can become the other sex/gender.

The surgeries causes well documented complications and in the case of children who transition complete sterility/infertility and anorgasmia.

But you appear to be taking the same stance as you did on assisted suicide. To me one gay man regretting castrating himself through internalised homophobia is one person to many. But there are several now including this prominent detransitioner who has an increasingly large online presence

but before I get to him the idea men can become women is at odds with the claim men and women only have social imposed differences.

"A detransitioner has told how he was 'brainwashed' into having gender reassignment surgery after believing himself to be a woman trapped in the wrong body.

Going by the name Shape Shifter, the 32-years-old who lives in Massachusetts grew up in a Muslim country in the Balkans where even being gay was frowned upon, but he believed that if he transitioned to female he would finally feel happy with himself."

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11151433/Detransitioner-says-brainwashed-having-gender-reassignment-surgery-woke-doctors.html

"But soon after the operation was complete in 2015 in his mid-20s, Shape Shifter quickly realized he had made a terrible mistake, and that he was just a gay man who enjoyed presenting in a feminine way.

The procedures he has undergone - which include the removal of his penis and the creation of a 'neo-vagina' are irreversible.

They have left him with osteoporosis, scoliosis, a 'vagina' which his body believes is a wound, and which it tries to close up, as well as a host of mental health conditions including depression and a reduced sex-drive. "

Here is a response to the surgery regret study you linked to:

Letter to the Editor: Regret after Gender-affirmation Surgery: A Systematic Review and Meta-analysis of Prevalence

Expósito-Campos, Pablo MA*; D’Angelo, Roberto PsyD†,

https://journals.lww.com/prsgo/fulltext/2021/11000/letter_to_the_editor__regret_after.29.aspx

"Besides these methodological inaccuracies, data in this field are often of low quality because of “lack of controlled studies, incomplete follow-up, and lack of valid assessment measures,”5 as well as the long amount of time regret can take to manifest (the average and median are estimated at 8–8.5 years2,4). Many of the included studies had participants with follow-up periods of only 1 or 2 years postsurgical transition. None appear to have a long enough follow-up period to reliably identify regret. The study contributing almost half of the participants4 explicitly noted their inclusion of participants with short follow-up time, relative to time to regret, and their large 36% loss to follow-up as limitations. These shorter studies only provide an estimated lower limit, as the large numbers of patients lost to follow-up add correspondingly large uncertainties to any quoted number.

Bustos et al1 acknowledge “moderate-to-high risk of bias in some studies.” Actually, this affects 23 of the 27 studies. The majority of included studies ranged between “poor” and “fair” quality: only five studies—representing just 3% (174) of total participants—received higher quality ratings. However, even these had loss to follow-up rates ranging from 28% to more than 40%, including loss through death from complications or suicide, negative outcomes potentially associated with regret."

This is why I need to scrutinise the studies you claim support your hypothesis.

This study: "Man enough? Masculine discrepancy stress and intimate partner violence" Questioned 600 men

Before I talk about it in 2019 there were 1,322,256 male prisoners in the states so these men would account for 0.04% of the prison population if it was a sample of them.

Is that sufficient to derive information that would apply to all men in the prison system and that could be used to free these men from incarceration through rehabilitation.

Wouldn't it be great if it were that simple and we could clear the streets of crime by rearing men to be more like girls.
— Andrew4Handel

Finally! An intelligent idea. — Vera Mont

Yes but girls and women are social constructs and don't really exist we are told.

This whole thread was about celebrating women's behaviours and psychology etc and now you seem to have finally realised it.

Denying the existence of women and girls behavioural traits doesn't leave anything left for men to emulate. Do we we won't Women to act more like men and commit more sex offences and violent crime do we.
No we want men to emulate women ideally and that is why we need to preserve and celebrate the female identity and make the characteristics enviable, desirable and aspirational and not just parodies of social constructs.

Thanks!!

Maybe you disagree about the degree to which they contribute to these things, but you can't credibly deny that there is evidence that it is a factor. — busycuttingcrap

I am not denying that that is a factor by any means.

However it depends how you frame the causal relationship.

The societies creating toxic masculinity are shaped by men.

I have been around men where they enforce masculine codes of conducts amongst themselves with no input from women from an early age. Incels are males creating a sub culture amongst them selves whilst blaming women for their problems

Men creating toxic environments for themselves reflects badly on men. Unless you can show that women co-created or solely created toxic male identities.

How about instead of immediately trying to "counter" this body of scientific/medical counter-evidence, you actually look at it and consider the possibility that you might have been mistaken? — busycuttingcrap

Let me clarify what you are suggesting are you claiming that the majority of crime is committed by men due to socialisation and is not caused by biology or testosterone?

Are you sayin your studies have proved this under the reason there are millions of men in Americas prisons and elsewhere is due to socialisation?

Wouldn't it be great if it were that simple and we could clear the streets of crime by rearing men to be more like girls.

Before I critique your studies I may as well reveal something.

I was sent to prison at 17 for an arson and spent 2 and three quarters years in prison and other time in probation hostels with men (all male environments).

Before I went into prison I subscribed to equality between the sexes was always pro women and remained that way when I came out.
So I spent a few years around men with all kinds of criminal convictions and heard first hand young mens opinion on a lot of things. I heard very little sexism, some homophobia small amounts of racism (This is in the mid 90's England)

From one of your studies:
"There is strong evidence that young men who subscribe to inequitable gender norms (e.g., believe women are solely responsible for household chores and child-rearing) (Pulerwitz and Barker, 2008) and endorse dominant and hostile forms of masculinities (e.g., believe women are sexual conquests) (Pulerwitz and Barker, 2008) have higher rates of perpetrating psychological, physical, and sexual violence against women"

Well that is stating the obvious. Men that abuse women have a low opinion of women. In my experience most men were not in for assaulting women and did not have a low opinion of women unless you consider having pornographic images of women on prison cells demeaning to women.

I will look for a counter study for this but women sometimes hold a low opinion of other women and that does not translate into them becoming criminals. My mother gave up her job as a teacher when she married.

Dr Marci Bowers found it difficult to turn Jazz Jennings shrunken penis into a pseudo vagina because of it's size and under development due to puberty blockers. Marci had to put implants into Jazz's scrotum and fill them with water to create more flesh for the vaginoplasty.

Jazz Jennings developed long term depression directly after starting puberty blockers. This was also discussed on "I am Jazz"

And this was all documented on the family friendly TV "I am Jazz".

Dr Marci was born Male and had four children before having an orchiectomy and vaginoplasty in Marci's 40s Jazz will never be able to have children.

"Every single child who was truly blocked at Tanner stage 2 (9 - 11 years old) has never experienced orgasm."

— Dr Marci Bowers
trans-identified
President of WPATH

And all this despite being told the differences between men and women are invented. You can stop supporting this or become part one the biggest medical malpractice crimes and social scandals in human history. Including Castrating and sterilising children and leaving them anorgamsic and emotionally stunted.

Of course it is! How could the American Society of Plastic Surgeons compete with Reddit for credibility? — Vera Mont

All you are doing is undermining your own credibility.

Of course it is! How could the American Society of Plastic Surgeons compete with Reddit for credibility? — Vera Mont

Do you think people who think you can turn penis into vagina and make lots of money trying to do this have any credibility? I don't.

We wouldn't be in the the situation we are in now if people had professional integrity.

I already posted one story of a men who regretted having his penis chopped up and was a closeted gay man and can cite many more. How many is too many for you?

"Two leading transgender medics warn children should not be given puberty blockers, that too many are being given gender reassignment surgery and reveal NYT turned down their op-ed on the subject
Dr Marci Bowers and Dr Erica Anderson spoke out in Bari Weiss''s Substack letter
The pair said they were concerned by some trends for transgender youngsters

Both warned that puberty blockers could be given too young, causing irreversible consequences for a person perhaps not ready
They also said that the policy of 'affirmative care' - which has replaced 'watchful waiting' - was not necessarily benefiting people in the long run
Anderson also said she was concerned about the 'sloppy' approach to the mental health side of transitioning, and feared many would regret it "

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10058951/Leading-transgender-medics-warn-children-given-gender-reassignment-surgery.html

That study is highly implausible and has methodological problems.

However there is a detransition SubReddit https://www.reddit.com/r/detrans/

It now has 43 thousand members talking about their regrets and personal horror stories.

People are posting on You tube stories about how their vaginoplasty or phalloplasty left them in severe pain with multiple complications but then saying they didn't regret their decision.
SO even with the most heinously botched surgeries that cause life long disabilities they are motivated to say they don't regret it and undermine the ideology.

Research into detransition is being surpressed:

"Bath Spa University is conducting an internal inquiry into claims that it turned down an application for research on gender reassignment reversal because it was “potentially politically incorrect” and would attract criticism on social media.

James Caspian, a psychotherapist who specialises in working with transgender people, proposed the research about “detransitioning” to the university in south-west England, which, he said, initially approved the application.

When he went back with his preliminary findings that suggested growing numbers of young people, particularly women, were regretting gender reassignment, Bath Spa said his proposal would have to be resubmitted to the ethics committee, which rejected it."

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2017/sep/25/bath-spa-university-transgender-gender-reassignment-reversal-research

This thread is depressing to me because it makes me believe that people are not interested in the truth but just what currently makes them feel good. I have posted stats in this thread including how only two of the top 100 films are about women.

I have given estimated stats about crime and inmates.

I can post another 5 stories of gay men who chopped up there penises and castrated themselves to become women and now regret and are angry at gender ideology and the encouragement they received.
I can state the case of Lia Thomas who has now been banned from women's swimming and any men who didn't start "transitioning to female" as a child.

This what is happening because people including feminists denied innate differences between men and women and tried to cure the issues of dysfunction by inventing gender identities.

How long of you got for me to illustrate my wide evidence base?

"For Ritchie Herron, a bright and articulate civil servant from Newcastle, life over the past four years has become almost unbearable.It takes him ten minutes to empty his bladder, a process as painful as it is slow. Any sex drive is long gone. In fact, he says, his crotch is numb, ‘shell-shocked’ from the damage done to him under the apparent care of the NHS."

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10953157/Man-suing-NHS-trans-surgery-regrets-bravely-waived-anonymity-share-ordeal.html

Battling mental health issues – and after decades of suppressing his homosexuality – Ritchie, 35, had thought the answer was to become a woman. But instead, he says, he was fast-tracked into making ‘the biggest mistake of his life’ and left infertile, incontinent and with ongoing pain.

"Today, he is one of a growing number of ‘de-transitioners’, living once again as a man and grieving his ‘mistake’. Much of his confusion was around accepting he was gay, he now acknowledges.

The irreversible operation involves removing the penis and testicles, and reforming the area to resemble female genitals.

For eight days he lay in a blur of painkillers. His first thought as he recovered his lucidity was: ‘Oh God, what have I done?’

Look at the photos on this article. And feel free to explore the rest of the site.


"On December 14, footage taken at the University of Brasília (UNB) began to circulate on social media, quickly racking up viral attention. The camera-phone video clips showed a large, bearded male wearing a dress loudly screaming in the face of a female student, who appeared to be trying to get away from him.

Additional video was taken by the woman being assailed, and she can be heard pointing out the man’s obvious characteristics.

“But you’re a dude!” The female student says.

“I am not a dude! Nothing is keeping me from bringing my hand to your face. Girl, respect me! Respect me!” He is heard screaming, using a colloquial expression for ‘slapping.’"

https://reduxx.info/brazil-female-student-assaulted-by-trans-identified-male-over-washroom-access-says-she-was-afraid-of-dying/

"White entered the UK prison system as transgender. However, despite dressing as a woman, the 52-year-old had not undergone any surgery and was still legally a male. She was also a convicted paedophile and on remand for grievous bodily harm, burglary, multiple rapes and other sexual offences against women.

In September last year she was transferred to New Hall prison in West Yorkshire. During a three-month period at the female prison she sexually assaulted two other inmates."

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/oct/11/karen-white-how-manipulative-and-controlling-offender-attacked-again-transgender-prison

The decision to move White to a women’s prison was made public after she admitted in court to the sexual assault and to multiple rapes committed before she was sent to prison.

Reality doesn't care about your outdated, ill-informed, bigoted feelings and hypotheses indeed — Benkei

Reality is that men commit most crime 95% + of violent crime and sex crime and makes up 90% of prisoners and you believe criminology has refuted that in some way?