If you believe in Hell you are already in it.

Whoo who is "we"? I decidedly do not want to end up in the Christian heaven — Athena

You might not have much choice in the matter. It might have to be either Heaven or Hell.

But as we achieve Godlike powers it is obvious that our ideas about God creating a Heaven and Hell to reward or punish us is very primitive concept cooked up by stone age people.

1) That people are only motivated by pleasure. (a straw man of sorts) — Wallows

This is incorrect. People are motivated by pleasure and pain.

We can imagine the universe in two dimensions as a plane, which is flat and infinite (like an infinite piece of paper). ... However, with expansion, it is possible that even if the universe just has a very large volume now, it will reach infinite volume in the infinite future

If someone came up to me and presented a proof that 1=2, l would immediately discard the proof. — Wittgenstein

1 dollar is worth 2 50 cent pieces.

Err no. I only need one infinite quantity to map anything.[/quote]

If that were the case you would only need 1 infinite Universe to map our Universe.

Well it seems theoretical physics seems to disagree with you there. Apparently you need infinitely iterated universes to map our Universe.

Let us all pray to Massimo. OHMmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Oh yes, thinking of life as process instead of opposites is beautiful. — Athena

You mean like baking a cake?

When something changes color there are moving parts. Colors are produced by different wavelengths of light. Visible light is above Infrared and below Ultra Violet. — christian2017

The moving part is the expansion of Space. It pulls apart the wavelengths of light, causing them to change color from ultraviolet to infrared.

Many think God could have made an eternal universe. Aquinas wrote a book on it — Gregory

Whatever made the Universe we may call God. There you go. In 1 sentence I have explained everything you need to know.

Time is measured by the movement of objects or particles. If no particles or ligh waves are moving then there is no time. — christian2017

In the beginning there was the expansion of space. Not the movement of particles because they had not yet been formed.

Yet 3 minus 3 equals zero but you can't get 3 out of zero. You can't just reverse equations any way you like — Gregory

There is no arrow of time in physics. So yes it goes both ways. If you can add minus 3 to 3 giving you zero you can go from zero to 3 and minus 3. How to keep 3 and minus 3 from joining up again is the problem.

There has to be order first, before there is even 'things', as no 'thing' can exist without there being an order. — Wayfarer

That is not true. In the 'beginning' there was no order'.There was pure energy which is formless. As energy spread out into an expanding space some of the energy transmuted into matter. Only then do we get a semblance of order. As the space continues to cool, more and more order is imposed on energy. This will continue until the energy death of the universe.

The problem with free will is that people either don't want it or do not know what to do with it.

The human mind interacts between cause and effect, to predict, imagine, determine and initiate actions. — Possibility

Here we all are 'brains in a vat' devising ever more sophisticated language in a desperate attempt to get grip on reality.

Let us all pray to Him. Ohmmmmmm

Here we are 'brains in vat' endlessly discussing how to get a grip on reality with ever more sophisticated language.

Is Cantor wrong about more than one infinity

Yes. Theoretical physics seems to demonstrate the infinitely iterated infinite universe.

Isn't anti time timelessness — Gregory

No. Anti-mass is not mass-less. A positron exists as much as a electron. Light and Anti-light have the same properties merely their frequencies differ half a wavelength. Time and anti-time have the same frequency but have a half wavelength shift in relation to each other. As water waves which cancel each other out. One was a sinus and the other as co-sinus as they meet.

↪Wayfarer I want to understand how the way the eye works and how that corresponds to the sound of a breeze through the leaves of a tree.

You might have missed the scientific paper I mentioned above, which mentions the 'hard problem' in particular connection to what is called the 'neural binding problem'. The paper is here, from which I quote:
— Wayfarer

The problem with great minds such as yours and others I have come across on this forum is that their cleverness prevents them from seeing the whole picture. You are like great scientists examining every stone and leaf but still haven't figured out that the world is round.

With my simple mind I stick to the basics but have over the years been able to figure out the large picture even though the details remain obscure to me. With child-like awe I observe the world.

As matter and anti matter can emerge in a quantum fluctuation out of the void so time may emerging from timelessness. Time and anti time emerging simultaneously.

Miracles are evidence of a person's lack of understanding

" Err no. I only need one infinite quantity to map anything. If you can't map something when you have an infinite quantity then you are doing something wrong. Now you can have an infinity of infinities but I can map that to a single infinity "


Well it seems theoretical physics seems to disagree with you there. The infinitely iterated infinite universe is exactly what they are proposing.

As matter and anti matter can emerge in a quantum fluctuation out of the void so time may emerging from timelessness. Time and anti time emerging simultaneously.

I think I know that what anyone thinks they know is not knowledge

Everything we know is what we believe to know. All knowledge is what we believe to be knowledge.
You believe you know that what anyone believes is not knowledge.

But, natural selection is the brilliant child of evolution?

Survival of fittest is brilliant?

Survival of the fittest is brilliant?

If infinity exists then by definition an infinity of infinities must exist.

Does Hell exist? Yes. It is called 'life'.

The problem with escapism is finding out we don't like ourselves.

You seem to think you have a stunningly good point — Bartricks


I don't think... I know.

What you believe you know is knowledge.

'Transcendent certainty' is what the Christian church is selling you. It wants you to believe you have an eternal Soul and they can help you save it (for a price).

.We wish to understand God.

It is only once we have become God that will we understand God

Miracles are evidence of a defective mind.

God's hiddenness increases His influence.

You only need duality to create complexity.

Agnosticism does not mean not knowing if God exists or not. It means not Knowing the nature of God.

It just takes 2 to tango.

If God exists He is immoral.

God is our conscience speaking to us.