• Censorship is a valuable tool
    ↪TheMadFool
    In other words "good" censorship while effective in preventing large scale violence, is actually a symptom of an underlying social illness - discrimination based on whatever that is that divides societies.[/quowomen ]

    Differences and similarities both it seems. How often do the ex slavers call the ex enslaved dangerous predators despite history of them being the predators. A guilty projection maybe.

    I see two dividing forces that both stem from prejudice. Othering or rejecting evidence of similarity. If a person thinks they are better than everyone else, then someone who is similar to them is percieved as being like that for bad reasons because nobody could possibly be as good as them right?

    Is why men are intimidated by intelligent women, why everyone is intimidated by intelligent children. I have more examples but I think my point is clear.     — TheMadFool
  • If you were asked to address Climate Change from your philosophical beliefs how would you talk about
    I would talk about lack of balance in ecosystem and push dialogue toward asking what will really work at convincing leaders they have to do more to put in balance and also show them exactly what is meant by this by being better role models required for problem than they. We shame them.
  • Jordan Peterson in Rehab
    This makes me sad. Peterson is interesting and well meaning man. I don't agree with him on lots of things. His beliefs are interesting and some valuable when properly expanded, given context.

    Remind me of when myself prescribed thorazine. Now that was a hell. Drippy droopy it make me.
  • Censorship is a valuable tool
    ↪prothero
    I agree, there is epistemic responsibility to try and control output of dangerous idea. However, is very demanding to try and read minds beforehand and stop dangerous idea getting out all the time.

    If man is sharing dangerous idea because true then he should be willing to face consequences of speaking truth to power and being a shot messenger. Take vaccines or climate change problem. Do you think it economically realistic to preempt and censor every denier? Censorship is used often but why not for these things when so much evidence shows antivacs are hurting themselves and others as are climate change deniers?

    Is because of who is doing censoring.

    Rules and laws might not be arbitrary but sometimes people who create them are not right people. When not right people, censorship is enemy of public. In both where is and isn't being implemented.

    Internet has made mad men more crazy in that it gives them giant megaphones. When only a few people can hear and see the crazy you don't have to censor. When people are removed from the crazy and read or hear of sane sounding middleman then the idea change from harmless to dangerous.
  • Addicted to the philosophy forum
    ↪Wheatley
    How would you feel if got banned from here? Out of curiousness.
  • Censorship is a valuable tool
    ↪frank
    If you did something wrong, did you not justify it at the time? — frank

    Justification could be thing that was wrong, or maybe how much justice was wrong, maybe punishment not fit crime.

    Censorship is sign of weakness and mistrust of community intelligence.

    Censors fear truth, censors fear rationality and compromise.

    If the object of censoring cannot speak then censor can frame narrative however they want and claim justice when really it is just that everyone has right to defend and appeal censorship.

    Be skeptical of story where only one side of narrative is available.

    It's like if two men have race and one cross finish line before other man. If man who came last binds and gags other man and hides him and expects to be given first place prize at award ceremony because of winners absence and claim winner said horrible things about everyone and the competition then should we take at face value or try and find winner to corroborate?
  • Evolution and free will
    ↪Brett
    No. I mean general ability to disagree with self. Second and third guessing is considered useful in both short and long term.

    Is it purely disadvantage in all ways? If I have no ability to second guess myself then maybe I fail and fall and die first time instead of using willpower to question whether had taken enough thinking time.

    So long as we reject magical conceptualization for explanation of phenomenon of Will, then maybe we can think in this way.
  • Evolution and free will
    I can't help but wonder if there is evolutionary purpose for evolution to give us way to disagree with our own selves?
  • The Shift: Does anyone feel that?
    Yes I have felt shift. It is what make me come out of hermitage
  • On Suffering
    ↪Possibility
    What if happy man is man who is slave all of life and does not know better? What if culture not have words for "unfair" or "exploit"?
  • Stoicisms place in our Moral Ecology; Happy Thanksgiving Edition (PUBLIC DISCUSSION)
    Link is broken?

    How much control you think you have and how much control you know you have?

    Stoicism is being average, Taoist being balanced. Is being average and being balanced same?
  • On Suffering
    ↪Possibility
    Is being in state of denial not a form of suffering? Here I observe man to be happy. I don't know though. He could be happily walking into ambush with three attackers down street. Maybe even I tell him about attackers but he choose not believe and is wilful ignorance which in this case could be seen as someone who just is not suffering yet?
  • If you were asked to address Climate Change from your philosophical beliefs how would you talk about
    ↪Janus
    Ha maybe in future with cloning! But no, I meant the climate change. Whether the climate change is man made or natural.
  • If you were asked to address Climate Change from your philosophical beliefs how would you talk about
    Which demographic is biggest threat to mounting human defence for climate change? Natural or man made?
  • On Suffering
    ↪Possibility
    This raise question, can a happy man be suffering?
  • On Suffering
    ↪Possibility
    I think it’s very much dependent on awareness of choice. We can’t always choose our circumstances or what happens to us, but as human beings we always have the capacity to choose how we respond to each interaction - if only we were fully aware of that capacity. I think we suffer from ignorance, isolation and exclusion in this respect, more than we suffer from pain, loss or humiliation. — Possibility

    I like what you think, reading back it make sense. You have even included possibility of man suffering due to ignorance of a early asymptomatic cancer even though he feel nothing from it and you have also removed suffering from some forms of pain where they do not belong.
  • On Suffering
    ↪Possibility
    So you believe choice exists within suffering. In the cases where one does not have choice, is a slave to playing out the pain, then this is truly suffering.

    Complaining at your arms getting stronger in a place where you have choice not to do pushups is not suffering.

    What think you of will or agency and how much agency do different people have? Do we all have opportunity of choice?
  • Do the Ends Justify the Means?
    @Pantagruel I think punishment is the downside of reward and praise is the upside of blame

    As for responsibility how much accounting is there for individual or contributive control of consequences?
  • Do the Ends Justify the Means?
    ↪Pantagruel
    Function to mean what purpose does it contribute to and what are the consequences of blame itself?
  • Censorship is a valuable tool
    ↪frank
    I thought nuclear war was on trail because nuclear weapons exist and the authority keeps spending paper and numbers on them. People care about the shit they put numbers into. Americans are only forgetful at math until it comes time to calculate the Tom Brady's percentages and averages.
  • Do the Ends Justify the Means?
    Depends on how many different means can have same ends. These violent delights have violent ends.
  • When is it rational to believe in the improbable?
    When you have eliminated the impossible.
  • Censorship is a valuable tool
    ↪frank
    Shouldn't we isolate ourselves through censorship from foreign aggressors looking to undermine our decision making processes? — frank

    Depend on how you define foreign aggressors.

    If one is against an authority, through nothing but political ideology through civil disobedience, or a recognition that the authority is also looking to undermine our decision making process, then what is problem?
  • On Suffering
    Like if we are doing push up vs being forced to do pushup
  • On Suffering
    What are the difference between constructive, deconstructive/reconstructive and destructive suffering?
  • Do the Ends Justify the Means?
    Realistically, there usually are unintended consequences/results. — Pantagruel

    What function does blame achieve when it come to result or consequence?
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