“Meaningless! Meaningless!”
says the Teacher.
“Utterly meaningless!
Everything is meaningless.”
What do people gain from all their labors
at which they toil under the sun? — Bitter Crank
One can be convinced of God by direct experience of Her. If one has had such experience, why waste time on petty, questionable arguments that pale into total insignificance in comparison? — andrewk
So perhaps you meant to say that if the BIV is an anti-realist then their statement is true? — Michael
You lost me here.. — creativesoul
Problems will certainly arise from conflating verification with truth. — creativesoul
If you already believe the statement, then adding "is true" adds nothing meaningful to it. — creativesoul
The point is that a deflationist is not trying to resolve issues around meaning or verification (rightly or wrongly). They are just pointing out that there is no great mystery to the ordinary use of truth terms. — Andrew M
Adding "is true" to a belief statement adds no additional meaning. — creativesoul
If, and only if, the meaningful statement corresponds to reality; fact; the way things are; the unfolding events; etc; then it is true. — creativesoul
In the bigger picture, I am quite confident in saying that truth, meaning, thought, and belief are all irrevocably entwined. — creativesoul
That is, if the statement "the cat is on the mat" is true (or false) then the statement "it is true that the cat is on the mat" is similarly true (or false). — Andrew M
These are the acts that might arise consequent on the speech act 'the cat is on the mat', given the way we play the language game. — andrewk
I mean, does mere correspondence (in the sense of empirical justification) necessarily entail a metaphysical view on truth? — ChatteringMonkey
And the fact that they have a correspondence relation is a problem why? — ChatteringMonkey
It's also perfectly possible that i've failed to understand your point — ChatteringMonkey
A glass can be both half full and half empty. Kinda corny, but true. — Posty McPostface
The physics of the empirical reality being fed to the BIV would need to be capable of producing a conscious observer for physicalism to be a defensible position. — noAxioms
OK, you call it a direct realist here, but that is more or less the physicalist position: that what one perceives is the stuff that we're made of. — noAxioms
How did this brain come to believe there is actually a physical world (a sine qua non for physicalism)? That is an essential question, because it has bearing on the rationality of its belief. — Relativist
You're saying that we observe the avoidance of problems associated with other viewpoints, and this is observational support for direct realism. — frank
And we were talking about physicalism. Do you see that being identical to direct realism? — frank
Is this part of the scenario? Or are you asserting it? — frank
What could you observe that would confirm or disconfirm either direct realism or physicalism? — frank
Physicalism can't be grounded in observation whether BIV or not. — frank
To take the math or the models as reality because it is how humans translate is anthropomorphisizing the universe. You are taking the human view to be THE view outside all subjective views. — schopenhauer1
Perhaps it's useful to recall that when these were created, they represented in many but not all cases the best answers at the time to sets of questions. Our understanding of the world has evolved. We don't ask the same questions today. And the old answers such as they were, won't do. — tim wood
t is ignoring the Cartesianism which is the philosophical misstep. — apokrisis
Again, the third person point of view is rightfully the invariant generality that would be seen across all possible acts of measurement. And so science turns out to know what it is doing. — apokrisis
Those philosophers and scientists who dismiss metaphysics, often casually and without much argument, have to demonstrate how they can do this without doing metaphysics themselves. I predict that they will not be able to do this. Even the logical positivists had metaphysical assumptions.
https://www.firstthings.com/article/2018/08/aristotle-returns — Tim Crane
Do you really not know what "beyond their scope" means - or what I meant by it? If you mean to represent that ancient philosophies are or should be the correct tools for science and research and advancing knowledge, then you are espousing a terminally Procrustean view. — tim wood
Mm, its much easier to wax nostalgic for 'lost knowledge' than it is to actually engage in argument. A favorite strategy of facists everywhere. — StreetlightX
This has probably to some extend prevented pragmatic policies from being implemented. For the believers it was probably never enough, and the non-believers don't want to give in to the lies and all-or-nothing rethoric of the believers... — ChatteringMonkey
Alarmism, or scare-politics, is a common way to influence people to care about an issue. That is a strategy that politicans use themselves, as do activitists. The problem is that it can also backfire, the boy cried wolf et al... And to some extend that is what has happened with enviromental issues. — ChatteringMonkey
Things haven't been as bad as he had predicted back in the 60's and 70's. So, I hope you're right, but I fear not — Wayfarer