Not exactly sure we’re talking about the same thing. I’m curious as to why he hasn’t taken your queen yet.

Don’t worry, I beat his ass a few years back. :strong: lol

Wtf?

Oops.

Americans’ Support for Israel Dramatically Declines, Times/Siena Poll Finds

Disapproval of the war appears to have prompted a striking reassessment by American voters of their broader sympathies in the decades-old conflict in the region, with slightly more voters siding with Palestinians over Israelis for the first time since The Times began asking voters about their sympathies in 1998.

Nice to see good news. Unfortunately the genocide continues with government approval anyway. Really stupid move by Trump— one of many.

Thanks.

Weird that there's barely any mention of the most high-profile political assassination — AmadeusD

There’s 11 pages worth of it, in fact. Try paying attention.

https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/16164/the-ballot-or/p1

The majority of responses have not been on Twitter, but even had they been (im not on it - i imagine it is rife) they are not 'the world is ending' tweets at all. — AmadeusD

They are. Not being on it, it’s ridiculous to assert otherwise (for anyone wanting to be taken seriously, so this excludes you of course). There’s talk about revolution, about civil war, about things being “forever changed” after this, etc etc. (Let me guess: that doesn’t count because it’s not literally talking about the end of the world.)

I have still yet to see anyone present anything (that isn't clipped in bad faith) that might be held up to prove his sins. — AmadeusD

What a shocker.

The left continues to simply pretend political violence is both inevitable and justifiable — AmadeusD

No one is saying that. No one serious. Try getting out more.

Ironic, considering a right-winger was shot to death and celebrated by the left. — AmadeusD

No one serious is celebrating his death, despite what the conservative narrative would have you believe. Try getting out more.

I also note no denunciation of the murder. — AmadeusD

Then, as usual, you aren’t paying attention. In fact, it was strongly condemned immediately by political leaders, business leaders, celebrities, and the vast majority of Americans. Takes real effort not to notice this and then embarrassingly claim there was “no denunciation.” What dream world are you living in exactly?

I’ll skip the rest. I assume it’s more of the same. Go back to pretending to be a free thinker while inadvertently repeating Brietbart talking points verbatim. :up:

Haven’t had time to follow too closely, so I wonder: how is labor doing so far and what are Albanese’s polling numbers like? Particularly interested in climate policy.

Thanks guys. :up:

Why is it impossible to upload a picture? It says paste link to image, and that usually doesn’t work either. I just want to load a picture of a chess board.

Sounds good. :up:

@Moliere

Good game.

Unacceptable

@Moliere

Losing interest? Lol

:up: Accepted

Currently playing Moliere, but once I beat him I’ll move on to you. :wink:

[oops Nevermind — I can play multiple games at once and sent you a challenge]

I do what I want. Lol

Stonewall baby

Game on.

Just isn’t compatible on my phone. Play on chess.com:

https://www.chess.com/member/seinsfrage

By the same logic, everything Likud has done over the years justifies the actions of Hamas. As an evil organization, they’ve given up all rights to peace. Eventually, after decades of keeping people in open air prisons and murdering innocent people again and again, there’s bound to be reactions.

By their own logic, we shouldn’t condemn Hamas. They certainly don’t condemn Likud. They find a way to justify their atrocities. Well, so can Hamas. In fact, they have a better argument.

Playing Devil’s advocate, Likud’s actions make internal logical sense. Ideally, the Palestinians would just go away, to Egypt or anywhere else, they’d take over Gaza and West Bank, there’d be a buffer zone between neighboring countries, and that would be the end of it.

This is the OBVIOUS goal. Eliminating Hamas never was. October 7th was a pretext to just take it all once and for all. Fortunately, the world really isn’t buying it— yet they’ll push on through until every Palestinian is dead or displaced. They’re making Gaza an unlivable hellhole.

At this point, if I were Palestinian I’d just move out of there. They’ve lost. The problem is, there’s nowhere to go.

So this genocide (oh, sorry, I mean ethnic cleansing) has nearly succeeded. A few thousand more dead babies (oops, I mean Hamas combatants) and destroyed buildings should do the trick over the next few years. All with the weapons and support of the US.

Just want to put this prediction here for my future self:

All the hysteria and grandiose claims being made about Kirk’s death, how everything will change and how the “Movement” will thrive now etc etc., is so blatantly stupid and shortsighted as to be embarrassing. People simply cannot think long term or outside of their current emotions.

What will happen? Nothing. People will flail, and that’s it. It’ll make the year-end news summaries as a blip. The media will talk about it for a bit, until the next shiny object appears. I give it two weeks, if that. Then it becomes a secondary story. Information about the shooter and his trial will make news, but not front page, and by year’s end all of these world-is-ending tweets will finally be seen for what they are: the usual irrational, short term hysterics that are typical of the snowflake Right.

If you genuinely believe anything that's happening in the US is remotely "fascist", it is you who is the extremist here. — Tzeentch

:scream:

Can’t call fascists fascists anymore? No, sorry. You talk and act like fascists and extremists, you’ll be identified as such — accurately.

Besides, I don’t see calls for the degenerate in the White House to lessen the rhetoric. When I hear that from the same people, I’ll give it a moment’s thought. Otherwise, it’s dismissed as the typical behavior of hypocrites and partisans.

So Jair Balsanaro got the sentence Trump should have got - 27 years for an attempted coup. — Wayfarer

:clap: Brazil has a functioning judicial system. Good to see. May he rot in prison, that piece of shit.

We should all have moved on by now. Kids are shot every day — kids who didn’t contribute to ensuring this happens for decades to come with their spewing of gun manufacturer propaganda, like this guy did.

More media hysteria.

If we can only say it in retrospect -- i.e. the Nazis -- then that's not exactly a guide to when and why. — Moliere

Why? If we’re assess that a person, a movement, a cult, a government, etc., will cause great destruction / murder / suffering in the future. No one has a crystal ball, but there is good evidence.

As to when— once certain lines are crossed. I think the Trump administration has pretty much crossed those lines, but I look for the ignoring of court holdings — provided the Supreme Court’s Trump-appointed members don’t continually rubber stamp his blatantly illegal moves. Once that happens, the military will have to make a choice whether to uphold Trump or the constitution. If they choose Trump, then the only recourse is states leaving the union and people fighting back if the army tries to stop it.

But that’s me.

You have to have a license to drive a car.

No license to carry a machine literally designed to kill many people.

Your NRA-like analogy is stupid.

Because this guy happens to be a little famous (I never heard of him until this thread, frankly) it has to be some major turning point we have to look inward and question our deepest ideals? Come on. That's a bit melodramatic, wouldn't you say. All things considered. — Outlander

Yes. When any event is ubiquitous, and everyone is supposed to have an opinion or reaction about it (see the cringey editorials and twitter posts), I ask myself a few questions: 1), why this story and not some other, 2) who decides, and 3) should I really waste much time with it?

Plenty of more important stories happened yesterday. But nonetheless I offer my reaction too, because it’s everywhere. Still, it really does all ring false to me. Kids are getting shot every day— nothing but crickets. No ridiculous and hysterical calls for “war” or races to out-humane everyone.

As for the OP question: sometimes violence is necessary, yeah. When all else fails. Should have been more violence against the Nazis as they were coming to power.

One doesn't have to cheer or laugh at something like this. It just shows exactly where the hateful rhetoric of the grifting fascist right leads, and it's not towards an open, empathic and safe society. — Christoffer

Agreed.

Well, he died for the second amendment I guess. He also railed against empathy— but after seeing the video, I just can’t help but feel sickened. I can’t cheer it on or laugh at it. It actually upset me. I hope Charlie was wrong and that empathy is alive and well. Including for all the kids killed every week in school shootings. No half staff flags for them though.

With Trump nearly assassinated last year and now Charlie Kirk killed, anyone care to wager whether Republicans do anything about this problem and then implement the obvious solutions?

I would wager my house that it does nothing whatsoever. So goes the power of the money, lobbying, and propaganda.

She’s fantastic.

Well, I can say that all those people who loved to say "If I were alive when the Holocaust happened, I would've done something" or words to that effect. Welp, something not entirely dissimilar is happening and you have people DEFENDING this. Granted, a small portion, but it's obscene, grotesque. — Manuel

Yes indeed. The people now are even more culpable, since without US support there would be no genocide. It wasn’t like the US was propping up the Nazi regime.

Sad to see Israel use similar tactics as the very regime that murdered so many of their citizens’ families.

https://www.nytimes.com/video/world/middleeast/100000010370105/nasser-hospital-gaza-israel-attack-videos.html

What a shocker.

What’s cool is that the entire world, including the US, knows just what a genocidal, psychopathic state Israel is.

Biden has been signing EO’s like a madman. He has almost signed as many EO’s in his first two weeks as FDR did in his first month. According to Biden’s own words this is dictator shit. — NOS4A2

Thanks to for another laugh. The hypocrisy (and unadulterated stupidity) are so easy displayed with the cult, if only one takes a little time to do so. Thanks for spending that 5 minutes. Gave me a chuckle at least.

Beyond language, there is the maths. Is that what perturbs you? — apokrisis

No.

I think what’s most interesting about this discussion is that, once again, it’s crucial to distinguish between “common sense” notions and technical notions. In the same way as “work” can mean all kinds of things in everyday life, what it means in physics is entirely different.

My problem with what’s called philosophy and philosophers, is that much of the technical jargon often reeks of posturing, of self importance. It’s an attempt to turn philosophy into physics— looks important, and helps to justify academic funding, but one wonders how close this resembles what was done in Greek times.

That being said, why is it important to have a technical notion of “system,” and more importantly (echoing Chomsky): what explanatory theory does it belong to? Is there one?

He is a bright spot— and we do need more immigration. Illegal or otherwise. That you’re so far brainwashed into believing both of these things are somehow ridiculous only reveals what a waste of time you are. Enjoy your mainstream narrative (propaganda) and stay thoughtless.

Edit: For context, the quoted user made a (now strangely deleted) post commenting on his (hard to say) either disapproval or genuine sense that the definition can be improved as far as the 2nd post on this topic by Baden — Outlander

It’s fine that it was deleted— it was superficial. But to elaborate: I think the definition given (sincerely) is way too technical. Maybe it makes some sense and maybe it’s worth studying (as someone who respects Heidegger’s works, I grant that possibility) — but outside academia, I don’t see it being helpful in any way in life. I like ‘s description.

Legal immigration is a good thing, illegal immigration is not — RogueAI

Illegal immigration is good too. Should be more of it.

The Southern border was a festering wound — RogueAI

If by that you mean a manufactured problem that countless people believed, mostly because they want someone to blame for their shitty lives — then sure.

S&P 500: For the year-to-date through August 11, 2025, the index was up 8.4%. — RogueAI

:up:

I suppose this is a success— despite his best efforts to crash it.

but to say nothing good has happened under him is just wrong. — RogueAI

Yeah, no one’s said that. Plenty of good things — but mostly in spite of this administration’s policies and choices. And that’s the point.

Strawmen are usually the first sign of a shallow mind.

everything has gone to shit — frank

Case in point.

Illegal immigration at the Southern border has slowed to a trickle, stock market is up 6%. — RogueAI

Slowed to a trickle, yes. Which will be a disaster, since immigration is a good thing and there never was a problem to begin with, other than a backlog. But I guess this was a fulfilled goal.

As for stocks being up— yes, as they have been for years. Where the 6% comes from is anyone’s guess. 6% in what index? From when?