Cannon is just an idiot. Or corrupt. Or a corrupt idiot. — Michael

:up:

I vote corrupt idiot — as most Trump appointees are.

He's a negotiator. He puts up skyscrapers in Manhattan. — fishfry

:lol:

Why anyone bothers talking to Trumpers is puzzling. But I puzzle myself— as I keep doing it.

Ask yourself how the Capitol police would respond to black or brown people. I doubt very much they’d be “letting them in,” to the extent that that even happened (you know, apart from breaking windows and ramming down doors).
— Mikie

You mean when a black cop shot an unarmed young white woman to death? — fishfry

No, I mean how the Capitol police would respond to black or brown people. I doubt very much they’d be “letting them in,” to the extent that that even happened (you know, apart from breaking windows and ramming down doors).

but the current score and situation on the field matters. — Hanover

Not historically, at least with polling. They don’t matter much until a week before the election.

But there’s no doubt Trump has had a very good political run these past few weeks.

acting like the assassination attempt was just another Friday without far reaching consequences is just head burying — Hanover

No one is acting like that. This was a big deal— but the “far reaching” part is bogus.

Joe Biden said some words, and thus he tried assassinating Trump. I remember someone railing against such logic.

It’s as if there’s no consistency or principle whatsoever. :chin:

Anyway — criminals should be in jail and insurrectionists probably shouldn’t be on the ballot and private companies can censor anyone they want, particularly those who incite an insurrection. But nice Gish gallop.

“Trump was just elected today.” Such an original thought. Repeated probably 500 million times in less than 24 hours.

Actually, no he wasn’t. There’s four months to Election Day, and this will be a blip everywhere by then, except conservative talk radio and Fox News. And maybe Twitter — but they’re irrelevant now anyway.

Now we all have to pretend the Right doesn’t have more violent rhetoric? Lol

Here’s my theory: it was Richard Simmons. He was hired by the secret service!

Now Elon endorsed Trump. :rofl:

Shocker. The hysterics and conspiracies continue…hilarious.

Here come the conspiracies. Right on cue.

:rofl:

The hysterics are amazing.

He’ll be whining for years about this, of course. Someone else actually died— but he’ll milk his papercut for all it’s worth.

If he actually got shot and jumped up to fist pump— that would be something. As soon as everything was safe and he was surrounded by secret service— that’s when he immediately started the theater.

Eh, whatever. Let the tough guy have his few days in the news.

I imagine Trump’s poll numbers may jump a couple points because of this. If he were smart — which he isn’t — he would be gracious and thank Joe and others who have wished him well and condemned the violence.

But we all know what will really happen. Get ready for conspiracy theories and fundraising, folks.

Trump has the equivalent of being cut shaving, and look at the tears and outrage from the cult. :lol:


:yawn:

At least they know what schoolchildren face every day thanks to their sick policies. Thoughts and prayers.

Already bored. NOS has turned it into Trump propaganda, as usual. :yawn: I wonder if he’ll change his profile picture again? Fingers crossed!

Trump pumping his fist after an assassination attempt will reverberate through history — NOS4A2

:rofl:

It’ll reverberate on Twitter for a week.

I imagine the long term effects are more likely to be in the form of Trump being more vindictive and focused on retribution against his political enemies — Count Timothy von Icarus

So no real change.

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Anyway— remember when his mug shot was supposed to be the biggest thing of all time? Now it’s barely mentioned or remembered.

Mistake to downplay it. — Wayfarer

Just a long time between now and November and America has an attention span of a gnat. So unless he finds a way to milk this for four months, I don’t see it changing much. If he had gotten hit in tje shoulder or something, that’d be different.

In any case, I’m reading nothing but “speedy recoveries” and condemnations from Democrats, from Obama on down. I assume Biden will make an official statement.

This alleged assasination attempt, if that is what it is, will play right into their hands, right into Trump's 'martyr for the righteous cause' meme. Heaven help us. — Wayfarer

Gives him a good photo, but otherwise won’t matter much by November. Just a graze on the ear.

I don’t like seeing that, honestly — despite Trump being awful. Crazy shit.

Richard Simmons.

Shannon Dorherty wasn’t one I expected.

Dr Ruth.

Another one off the list.

Maybe you didn't see the videos of them being let in. I did. — fishfry

Yeah, maybe watch less Sean Hannity.

The Floyd riots killed 20 people. — fishfry

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_police_violence_incidents_during_George_Floyd_protests

Ask yourself how the Capitol police would respond to black or brown people. I doubt very much they’d be “letting them in,” to the extent that that even happened (you know, apart from breaking windows and ramming down doors).

But nevermind— just go on pretending it the insurrection was nothing. Years from now I’m sure it’ll be remembered as a tour — in conservative media anyway.

"A riot is the voice of the unheard." Except when the unheard are the deplorables. — fishfry

Except when it’s about racism and some property is damaged. Then it’s screamed about for years. Meanwhile, a few months later a bunch of white people storm the Capitol building in an attempt to stop the electoral college vote, and they were “let in” — and after years of spin, we should deny what we all saw that day and tell ourselves it’s no big deal.

Because if it were the Black Lives Matter crowd, I’m sure we’d be saying the same thing. And I’m sure only one insurrectionist would have been shot.

The hypocrisy is laughable.

Bunch of unarmed people are invited in by the Capitol cops — fishfry

:lol:

You really do come up with amazing twaddle.

Jane F. McAlevey, Who Empowered Workers Across the Globe, Dies at 59

Huge loss. Very sad day.

Eh, whether he stays or goes doesn’t matter that much I bet. With Trump as an opponent, people will vote against him. Doesn’t matter what or who that other button is. Maybe it’s a curtain rod. Maybe it’s a can of soup.

With Trump out there, there’s a very good chance Biden wins.

Michigan and Pennsylvania. That’s all you have to focus on, and you win.

How big of an imbecile does one have to be to really believe the US President “runs the country”?

I’d say pretty big.

Newsom/Whitmer ticket would look pretty damned impressive. — Wayfarer

I think that could work. Maybe a Josh Shapiro … but it’s really all just fantasy. I think if Biden steps down the natural candidate is Harris, for multiple reasons— including the large amount of money donated to their campaign.

he has to pass it on, and I'm sure he will. — Wayfarer

Well I hope you’re right, because the situation is sad. But who wants Kamal Harris? Oof…

If the pressure can be sustained, there may yet be a chance he’s replaced — a much better chance than I once thought — but I’d still give the chances 1 in 5 or so. The ABC interview didn’t do much to reverse the tide.

But this has been interesting. They’re really panicking— and for good reason.

It’s a lose-lose situation now for the democrats. Even if Biden stays, which I think he will, everyone has come out against him. That damage is already locked in. Whatever effect that has, who knows. I don’t think it’ll have a huge effect.

But if he drops out, it’s another losing scenario: Kamal Harris is the person who will likely get the delegates. She’s about as popular as colonoscopies.

They have no one to blame but themselves. If they happen to pull it off, it’ll be only because Trump is that bad — which he is.

that POTUS is a "King" with Absolute Immunity from criminal prosecution for Official Acts. — 180 Proof

Absolute immunity for constitutional acts and the presumption of immunity on other official acts, and non on non-official acts.

Seemed fairly obvious they would do this. The real decision was already known: delay as much as possible so there’s no trial before the election.

Good for you. — hypericin

Yeah, good for me and the millions of others who aren’t political hobbyists that think a silly debate will be decisive and memorable.

it was too emotionally visceral, too memorable, it will stay burned into people's heads. — hypericin

I’ve already largely forgotten it. Although it was funny and cringey and sad at the time.

Yes— the fact that we have a two party system sucks, and these two candidates suck. But the president doesn’t matter that much — his cabinet does.

Trump doesn’t know anything and his decisions are stupid and based on nothing but his “instincts,” which are dogshit when it comes to policy. Biden is a weak, tired, senile old man who doesn’t have the foggiest idea about what’s happening. But some of his cabinet and administrative appointments have been surprisingly good — at the FTC, EPA, and NLRB in particular. Even Gary Gensler at the SEC has made some admirable attempts at undoing Reaganite destruction.

So administration and policy matter, not the figurehead people vote for because he’s tall or you want to have a beer with him. And honestly, the debate was the worst performance I’ve seen in my life, but in a week no one will really care.

Biden will not be replaced. The DNC won’t do anything and Biden is too egotistical to back down. So they likely lose the election — but they probably would have even without a debate. He simply didn’t do enough and the compromises appealed to no one. Despite plenty of good things coming out of this administration, and a second Trump term likely being a death knell for the environment (and therefore life as we’ve known it), perhaps it’ll wake people up again and get them organizing. Four years of Trump through 2028 will be terrible but hopefully survivable, and may lead to better days. Who knows.



I think there’s less than a 5% chance that happens. They’re sticking with Biden.

:ok: :hearts:

you voted Biden and told people to vote for Biden — NOS4A2

Yes— and they should again if the choice is between him and Trump. In fact, they should vote for a plastic bag over Trump. To those incapable of thinking outside political parties, I suppose this would mean I’m carrying water for the plastic bag — but who cares what bootlicking hacks think anyway?

So under the radar, as the media is obsessed with the silly debate, the Supreme Court just upended a 40 year precedent for corporate America, of whom they serve.

https://www.wsj.com/us-news/law/supreme-court-pares-back-federal-regulatory-power-954a101c?mod=mhp

It wasn't me carrying water for a brain dead candidate. — NOS4A2

No, it was you. And you continue to do it. Which is why you’re a laughingstock.

But by all means carry on with your totally non-partisan views. :lol:

:rofl:

If only this weren’t coming from a Trump bootlicker. Then it wouldn’t be so cringey and hilarious.

I admire the ability to see one phenomenon clearly and totally bury one’s head in the sand with another. Way to compartmentalize!