This alleged assasination attempt, if that is what it is, will play right into their hands, right into Trump's 'martyr for the righteous cause' meme. Heaven help us. — Wayfarer

Gives him a good photo, but otherwise won’t matter much by November. Just a graze on the ear.

I don’t like seeing that, honestly — despite Trump being awful. Crazy shit.

Richard Simmons.

Shannon Dorherty wasn’t one I expected.

Dr Ruth.

Another one off the list.

Maybe you didn't see the videos of them being let in. I did. — fishfry

Yeah, maybe watch less Sean Hannity.

The Floyd riots killed 20 people. — fishfry

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_police_violence_incidents_during_George_Floyd_protests

Ask yourself how the Capitol police would respond to black or brown people. I doubt very much they’d be “letting them in,” to the extent that that even happened (you know, apart from breaking windows and ramming down doors).

But nevermind— just go on pretending it the insurrection was nothing. Years from now I’m sure it’ll be remembered as a tour — in conservative media anyway.

"A riot is the voice of the unheard." Except when the unheard are the deplorables. — fishfry

Except when it’s about racism and some property is damaged. Then it’s screamed about for years. Meanwhile, a few months later a bunch of white people storm the Capitol building in an attempt to stop the electoral college vote, and they were “let in” — and after years of spin, we should deny what we all saw that day and tell ourselves it’s no big deal.

Because if it were the Black Lives Matter crowd, I’m sure we’d be saying the same thing. And I’m sure only one insurrectionist would have been shot.

The hypocrisy is laughable.

Bunch of unarmed people are invited in by the Capitol cops — fishfry

:lol:

You really do come up with amazing twaddle.

Jane F. McAlevey, Who Empowered Workers Across the Globe, Dies at 59

Huge loss. Very sad day.

Eh, whether he stays or goes doesn’t matter that much I bet. With Trump as an opponent, people will vote against him. Doesn’t matter what or who that other button is. Maybe it’s a curtain rod. Maybe it’s a can of soup.

With Trump out there, there’s a very good chance Biden wins.

Michigan and Pennsylvania. That’s all you have to focus on, and you win.

How big of an imbecile does one have to be to really believe the US President “runs the country”?

I’d say pretty big.

Newsom/Whitmer ticket would look pretty damned impressive. — Wayfarer

I think that could work. Maybe a Josh Shapiro … but it’s really all just fantasy. I think if Biden steps down the natural candidate is Harris, for multiple reasons— including the large amount of money donated to their campaign.

he has to pass it on, and I'm sure he will. — Wayfarer

Well I hope you’re right, because the situation is sad. But who wants Kamal Harris? Oof…

If the pressure can be sustained, there may yet be a chance he’s replaced — a much better chance than I once thought — but I’d still give the chances 1 in 5 or so. The ABC interview didn’t do much to reverse the tide.

But this has been interesting. They’re really panicking— and for good reason.

It’s a lose-lose situation now for the democrats. Even if Biden stays, which I think he will, everyone has come out against him. That damage is already locked in. Whatever effect that has, who knows. I don’t think it’ll have a huge effect.

But if he drops out, it’s another losing scenario: Kamal Harris is the person who will likely get the delegates. She’s about as popular as colonoscopies.

They have no one to blame but themselves. If they happen to pull it off, it’ll be only because Trump is that bad — which he is.

that POTUS is a "King" with Absolute Immunity from criminal prosecution for Official Acts. — 180 Proof

Absolute immunity for constitutional acts and the presumption of immunity on other official acts, and non on non-official acts.

Seemed fairly obvious they would do this. The real decision was already known: delay as much as possible so there’s no trial before the election.

Good for you. — hypericin

Yeah, good for me and the millions of others who aren’t political hobbyists that think a silly debate will be decisive and memorable.

it was too emotionally visceral, too memorable, it will stay burned into people's heads. — hypericin

I’ve already largely forgotten it. Although it was funny and cringey and sad at the time.

Yes— the fact that we have a two party system sucks, and these two candidates suck. But the president doesn’t matter that much — his cabinet does.

Trump doesn’t know anything and his decisions are stupid and based on nothing but his “instincts,” which are dogshit when it comes to policy. Biden is a weak, tired, senile old man who doesn’t have the foggiest idea about what’s happening. But some of his cabinet and administrative appointments have been surprisingly good — at the FTC, EPA, and NLRB in particular. Even Gary Gensler at the SEC has made some admirable attempts at undoing Reaganite destruction.

So administration and policy matter, not the figurehead people vote for because he’s tall or you want to have a beer with him. And honestly, the debate was the worst performance I’ve seen in my life, but in a week no one will really care.

Biden will not be replaced. The DNC won’t do anything and Biden is too egotistical to back down. So they likely lose the election — but they probably would have even without a debate. He simply didn’t do enough and the compromises appealed to no one. Despite plenty of good things coming out of this administration, and a second Trump term likely being a death knell for the environment (and therefore life as we’ve known it), perhaps it’ll wake people up again and get them organizing. Four years of Trump through 2028 will be terrible but hopefully survivable, and may lead to better days. Who knows.



I think there’s less than a 5% chance that happens. They’re sticking with Biden.

:ok: :hearts:

you voted Biden and told people to vote for Biden — NOS4A2

Yes— and they should again if the choice is between him and Trump. In fact, they should vote for a plastic bag over Trump. To those incapable of thinking outside political parties, I suppose this would mean I’m carrying water for the plastic bag — but who cares what bootlicking hacks think anyway?

So under the radar, as the media is obsessed with the silly debate, the Supreme Court just upended a 40 year precedent for corporate America, of whom they serve.

https://www.wsj.com/us-news/law/supreme-court-pares-back-federal-regulatory-power-954a101c?mod=mhp

It wasn't me carrying water for a brain dead candidate. — NOS4A2

No, it was you. And you continue to do it. Which is why you’re a laughingstock.

But by all means carry on with your totally non-partisan views. :lol:

:rofl:

If only this weren’t coming from a Trump bootlicker. Then it wouldn’t be so cringey and hilarious.

I admire the ability to see one phenomenon clearly and totally bury one’s head in the sand with another. Way to compartmentalize!

Except that, if Trump wins in 2024, there probably won't be an election in 2028, as Trump will have declared himself President for Life. — Wayfarer

That’s not going to happen. It’s bad enough that he’ll appoint more judges and trash the environment without making things up about what he’ll do.

How many friggin times will Biden say “the idea…”

Lol Biden looks awful. What a stupid decision to let this guy run again. He’s just too old. He may still win, given his opponent is Trump— but so far in this debate he looks frail and borderline incoherent.

Not that this should matter much, but such is the way of things.

“The worst in the history of our country’s life.” — the stable genius with the best words

:lol:

Agreement is irrelevant. We could agree because you threatened my wife, or because we're family and I'm partial, or simply because I like you and not the next guy. These are merely economic transactions, not moral ones. You need to be deeply steeped in a capitalist society to equate economic transactions with moral ones, so the mistake is understandable but it's a rather simplistic and unexamined position. That's where almost everything goes wrong with most of your thinking. — Benkei

Yes indeed. An entire ideological system that has been so useful to the ruling class rests entirely on bogus notions of freedom, individuality, and human nature. Simplistic, transactional, soulless.

Proof is in the pudding: these people vote for, and endlessly defend, Donald friggin’ Trump. Tribalistic hacks to the bitter end.

Perceived probability is an interesting concept.

If you asked someone what the odds are of dying in an airplane or in a car, I imagine the majority would say the odds are higher in a plane. That’s the perception — and it’s wrong.

Ditto getting stuck by lightning. Turns out that your house getting hit is actually not that rare. Etc.

Probability is important. I feel like it’s the best we can do. But people’s perceptions will radically differ. It can be useful in gambling — like in poker — but otherwise it’s just irritating.

Interesting— I haven’t followed the news in a couple days and must have missed this. Not sure what to think about it— I hear Sanders and Markey were No votes, which gives me pause, although I’m generally pro-nuclear.

Just a reminder that this weather is indeed extreme. For anyone who can feel, and can read a graph, the pattern is alarming:

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2023/climate/extreme-summer-heat.html?unlocked_article_code=1.000.e-Vm.9B61_NeAn8_Z&smid=url-share

RIP Willie Mays. Not on my list, but should have been.

sum, President Biden is proposing extraordinarily large tax hikes on businesses and the top 1 percent of earners that would put the U.S. in a distinctly uncompetitive international position and threaten the health of the U.S. economy.

:rofl:

Always the same stupid excuses by plutocratic apologists.

Too big to fail. Too big to jail. And too big to tax.

It’s a law of nature that 90% of profits have to go to shareholders, so naturally if more goes to taxes or workers, cuts will have to be made to maintain the status quo.

Never mind that these companies are making billions in profits off the backs of their workers. Never mind that real wages have stagnated under “trickle down” economics.

Were you a professional? — jgill

Missed this. Yes, I was.

Coal is dead. Good riddance.

The first time Donald J. Trump ran for president, he slapped on a miner’s helmet and told coal workers they would be “winning, winning, winning” when he entered the White House.

Now, as Mr. Trump campaigns for another chance at the presidency, he rarely mentions America’s coal miners and has stopped making grand promises about their future.

The shift reflects political and economic realities, experts said. Top among them: Mr. Trump oversaw coal’s decline, not its salvation. Despite the fact that Mr. Trump gutted climate regulations and appointed a coal lobbyist to lead the country’s top environmental agency, 75 coal-fired power plants closed and the industry shed about 13,000 jobs during his presidency.

“Not a single coal miner went back to work or power plant saved,” said Erin E. Bates, a spokeswoman for the United Mine Workers of America, the labor organization representing coal miners.

“I think he’s realizing those promises were not met during his term and they’re probably not going to be met now,” she said. “Politically, it probably doesn’t pay for his campaign to make more broken promises.”

Two decades ago, coal produced about half of all the electricity in the United States. Today, it accounts for just 16 percent of American power generation. The industry employed nearly 180,000 people at its peak in the 1980s, but now that figure is about 44,800, according to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics.

Coal began its slide around 2005 as the fracking boom started to produce large quantities of cheap natural gas, which proved attractive to utilities. In the last few years, the cost of power generated by wind turbines and solar farms has plunged, replacing natural gas as the cheapest source of electricity. Last year, power generated from onshore wind turbines and solar farms was about one-third of the cost of the electricity produced by coal, on average.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/14/climate/trump-coal-politics.html

Watching the Trump cultists wiggle and squirm is amazing. :rofl:

The World Will Be Swimming in Excess Oil by End of This Decade, IEA Says

Global oil markets are headed toward a major glut this decade, a global energy watchdog forecast, citing surging supplies and slowing demand growth for crude thanks to lower-emissions energy sources.

https://www.wsj.com/business/energy-oil/global-oil-markets-to-tip-into-surplus-by-end-of-decade-iea-says-c85688fa?mod=mhp

Was a Trump judge. Whole thing was rigged. It was a perfect gun application.

Oh no and they restrain their prisoners? — BitconnectCarlos

They paint a picture of a facility where doctors sometimes amputated prisoners’ limbs due to injuries sustained from constant handcuffing; of medical procedures sometimes performed by underqualified medics earning it a reputation for being “a paradise for interns”; and where the air is filled with the smell of neglected wounds left to rot.

Yes, it reeks of “humane.”

Do they also commit war crimes by using guns against Hamas? — BitconnectCarlos

10,000 dead babies and genocide apologists call them “Hamas.”

And they wonder why they’re internationally condemned and bleeding support. Oh wait, no…it’s because of antisemitism. :yawn: