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  • Israel killing civilians in Gaza and the West Bank
    Just your daily reminder that Israel is fighting a humane war against a genocidal enemyBitconnectCarlos

    Strapped down, blindfolded, held in diapers: Israeli whistleblowers detail abuse of Palestinians in shadowy detention center

    https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/10/middleeast/israel-sde-teiman-detention-whistleblowers-intl-cmd/index.html

    Within a week of bombing two schools and killing hundreds of innocent people— yet again.

    So very humane. “Just your daily IDF propaganda.”

    It’s like bad satire…
  • US Election 2024 (All general discussion)
    Hunter Biden found guilty! Oh no! Lol

    Must all be rigged, judge was a republican, we’re a banana republic, etc.

    Oh wait…no one cares. And Joe Biden says he’ll respect the ruling.
  • Finding a Suitable Partner
    my search for my soulmateBob Ross

    Mistake.

    I wonder: are there any good ways to meet an intellectually substantive partner (viz., perhaps a philosopher)?Bob Ross

    No. There are no philosophers anymore. And if there are, you won’t find them.

    Both are silly mistakes. No soulmates; no philosophers. Who would even want that?

    Looks like you need a nerdy girl. They’re probably the best ones anyway, in the scheme of things.

    Good luck out there.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    Do you or do you not want to see America fall?BitconnectCarlos

    :rofl:
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    Because you totally know that the NYPD reporting procedures unlike those idiots (including the police themselves) who bring up this point.BitconnectCarlos

    No, nor do I care. I never once mentioned New York— not that it matters, since your feelings triumph because you see lots of stuff being under glass. So crime must be rising.

    I'm serious.BitconnectCarlos

    Oh I know. Which is why it’s so hilarious.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    Apparently in NYC the police won't even file a crime report for anything short of murder.BitconnectCarlos

    I already said: just go with your feelings and vibes and anecdotes.

    You don't even like the US.BitconnectCarlos

    :lol:
  • US Election 2024 (All general discussion)
    Majority of Americans wrongly believe US is in recession – and most blame Biden

    55% believe the economy is shrinking, and 56% think the US is experiencing a recession, though the broadest measure of the economy, gross domestic product (GDP), has been growing.

    49% believe the S&P 500 stock market index is down for the year, though the index went up about 24% in 2023 and is up more than 12% this year.

    49% believe that unemployment is at a 50-year high, though the unemployment rate has been under 4%, a near 50-year low.

    It’s prices that matter to people, apparently— the cost of living. Not inflation, despite what’s claimed.

    But mostly just media consumption shaping one’s feelings.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    Crime data in the US has been manipulated for years for political gain. It's an open secret. I walk into stores and see items locked up due to pervasive shoplifting.BitconnectCarlos

    Oh I see— so the stats can’t be trusted, but your anecdotes should be.

    Funny — I walk into stores and almost nothing is locked up. Nothing that hasn’t been locked up since the 1990s anyway.

    I don't recall it being like this a decade or two ago. But that's surely paranoia, right?BitconnectCarlos

    Yeah, basically. Because shoplifting really hasn’t increased much nationally. But Fox News runs stories every night, so I can see how your brain would be effected that way.

    Violent crime has declined nationally since jumping in 2020, but trends in retail theft are more difficult to assess, in part because of varying data collection and theft reporting methods. That said, the available crime data and industry figures cut against claims of a national increase in retail theft, despite notable spikes in some cities.

    https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/myth-vs-reality-trends-retail-theft

    Oh wait — no stats matter, only vibes and anecdotes do. Let’s go with those I guess. In which case: stock market at all time low! America is being overrun by immigrants! Etc.

    :yawn:
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)


    Good god— is this really what braindead right wingers find funny?

    The crackhead jab was the only one not reliant on a stupid, nonexistent premise (crime is actually down) or Fox News bromide.

    Reminds me of these polls where conservatives say the stock market is way down when it’s at record highs. Just living a fact-free existence. What can you do? Let stupid be stupid I guess.
  • Climate Change (General Discussion)
    Bill McKibben on Project 2025:

    They also promise to reach back to 2009 to reverse a crucial finding from the EPA that carbon dioxide causes harm, a position that undergirds much federal environmental regulation. Their plan would even abolish the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, which measures the damage we’re doing to air and water—because those findings are “one of the main drivers of the climate change alarm industry.”

    […]

    And it’s even worse than that. The climate crisis—unlike most of our political woes—is a timed test; past a certain point, we can’t repair the damage. Once you melt the Arctic, no one knows how to freeze it back up again. And that “certain point” is approaching: Climate scientists have made it clear that emissions need to fall by half by 2030; Trump’s term would end in January of 2029, giving his successor… 11 months. Good luck.

    The Planet Could Bear the Scars of a Second Trump Term… Forever

    Project 2025: Roadmap to Venus.

    What’s so sad is that, much like tobacco companies before them, they really don’t care about the externalities of their products. “Climate change alarm industry” :lol:
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    I do say that this country has not been the same since the CIA blew his brains out in broad daylight on behalf of the deep state.fishfry

    So you’re with Oliver Stone on this one I guess.

    Seems silly to me. I don’t care that much, to be honest— could be true. What actually changed my mind was NOVA’s assessment:



    Worth watching. They dismantle a lot of misinformation.

    Chomsky is full of shit on the JFK assassination by the way.fishfry

    Does he say much about it? I recall him focusing more on Vietnam and Cuba.

    Anyway…Your credibility continues to wane. First repeating conservative talking points, then echoing Oliver Stone conspiracy theories, now claiming Noam Chomsky is a “CIA asset.” Oof..
  • Is Passivity the Norm?


    Wallace Shawn is fantastic. Great scene.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    Dare I ask why you say that?fishfry

    But nevermind. I don't necessarily need to have this conversation.fishfry

    Fine. Chomsky says it better than me, though (at 1:36):




    Also recommend “Rethinking Camelot.”
  • Is Passivity the Norm?
    "Leader" isn't a character trait, but a social position. Leaders have followers.Moliere

    Okay, sure. But whatever the traits are that a leader possesses, it’s usually not passivity. Being confident, outspoken, have clear goals, being persuasive, perhaps even arrogant, manipulative, and domineering (if one is a bad leader, in my view).

    It’s a shorthand.

    The rule is "Leaders have followers" -- so if someone doesn't want to do anything because it won't matter anyway and everyone else follows them then "waiting around for something to happen" is the state of affairs, not the rule. The rule is "Follow the leader", and the leader has various disgruntled reasons for convincing everyone to not put in any effort.Moliere

    :chin:

    Well in that case, you’re right: there are a lot of leaders after all!
  • Is Passivity the Norm?
    What rating & time control? I'm around 1900/2000 level on chess.com at 10 minute. I wouldn't typically mention this in conversation.BitconnectCarlos

    Nice.

    It varies because I often play stupidly just to try new things, because it’s fun and I don’t care much about the points. I think I could play at 1950 or so at 3 minutes consistently, which is my favorite time, if I played to win every game (which sometimes gets boring because it involves taking advantage of little gains).

    Anyway— like I said, not amazing. Maybe above average, but I’ve never studied it formally and would be destroyed by anyone who has.

    Incidentally, I have played a few guys in New York at the famous Union Square for money, and won each time. But again — that just likely proves they’re not that good and are used to taking advantage of random people.

    I also find that there many different types of intelligences (social, emotional, mental, etc.)BitconnectCarlos

    Yeah, me too. But I don’t see many taking the lead on anything— I guess that’s the point. Everyone’s waiting for something to happen.
  • Is Passivity the Norm?
    I do think that being a big fish in a small pond does elevate some to be big fishes in big ponds as well.Hanover

    Good point— but I wonder how often. I would think mostly they’re just crushed.

    You have to have passion or you just won't do it.Hanover

    Yeah, and maybe that’s all it comes down to: few have truly any real passion. Or I haven’t encountered it much in life. Maybe just bad luck for me, who knows. But I wonder.
  • Is Passivity the Norm?
    And regarding chess, you sound like a big fish in a small pond.BitconnectCarlos

    Without question. Playing on chess.com shows me that. Above average, but nothing exceptional. Even @Hanover beat me for God’s sake. But the point being that in situations less amenable to real proof, one can go on wondering…
  • What's this called?
    A good lounge topic.

    I have no idea what it’s called.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    This is what makes it disappointing - to see intelligent people rationalizing the despicable
    actions of Trump and his flunkeys. It’s depressing.
    Wayfarer

    This and climate change. Those two issues are so easy and so obvious that a child can understand them, and yet individuals who would otherwise fool you into believing they’re sharp thinkers simply cannot grasp them.

    To me, both are a kind of litmus test. I used to think it was belief in God (“how can anyone rational really belief this?”), but that’s changed. Actually it’s rather similar, since the dogma and brainwashing of Christianity has largely shifted to politics, and so to education, science, medicine, etc. A lot of overlap. But still, I’m much more forgiving of religious beliefs these days — seem almost quaint and harmless compared to the Trump cult, anti-vaxxers, climate deniers, book banners, etc.

    It is indeed depressing, but shows how easy it is to get lost and let irrationality take over. Happens to the best of us.

    In Fishfry’s defense, he’s certainly far from the worst of it — just skewed on where the emphasis gets placed and a lot of false equivalence — and there’s a lot of truth in it, to the both-sides stuff. Always has been. Because there really IS a lot to criticize in either party, and the hypocrisy that gets pointed out IS real.

    For example, it’s true that there was some violence and destruction of property in the 2020 protests, yes. It’s true that the people who generally agreed with the values downplayed a lot of it, despite condemning it. It’s true that the conservative media ran NOTHING BUT these negative stories, to the point where you might have been convinced entire cities were being burned down and the world was falling into anarchy and being consumed by fire.

    But most of us are already beyond that analysis. Getting stuck in the endless hypocrisy accusations is boring and tiresome and regressive, and usually serves as nothing more than a cover for one’s thinly-veiled partisanship. If you want to pretend you’re independent but deep down feel that one side is a bigger threat, then that will eventually come out. Look where the emphasis gets placed. I do this too. But I don’t hide it under the cover of “both sides.” The Republicans and Trump are more dangerous in my view— period. So I vote against them because I don’t want them in power. Why? Because it makes it that much harder to make any progress. But that’s not an endorsement on Biden or the Democrats, whom I loathe. But they’re NOT the same.

    Eh…rambling over. Bottom line: stop overthinking things. Stop the gaslighting. Forget the culture war nonsense. And for God’s sake, enough with the fucking both-sides Nickelodeon analysis.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    You'll ignore a summer of deadly riotingfishfry

    Hysterical. Childish.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    Handful of unarmed clowns in costumes. Guess you missed the leftists interrupting Kavanaugh hearing.fishfry

    :rofl:

    Totally unbiased analysis. Very convincing.
    Since November 22, 1963.fishfry

    Oh Christ. Yeah, the day one of the worst presidents in history gets shot — all downhill from there. Please.
  • US Election 2024 (All general discussion)


    Another excellent explainer by Vox. Goes to show how silly the US's system is.
  • Israel killing civilians in Gaza and the West Bank
    Would you rather live in a world run by Israel or Hamas? I think we both know the answer to that.RogueAI

    You mean Likud or Hamas. Neither, because I dislike terrorists.

    Would I prefer to live in Israel or Gaza? Israel, hands down. But that’s exactly the point.
  • Israel killing civilians in Gaza and the West Bank
    If you have the right belief system, killing people is fine.

    Like the US in Iraq: spreading freedom and democracy. The “right” values. You have to burn a few babies alive to spread your superior Western values? Thems the breaks I guess.

    How sickening.
  • Israel killing civilians in Gaza and the West Bank
    No, Hamas and much of the Arab world fight for a belief system that oppresses women and LGBTQ peopleRogueAI

    Sorry, but war is hell. Collateral damage.

    Oh and the IDF fight for a belief system of apartheid and ethno-nationalism. No thanks.
  • Israel killing civilians in Gaza and the West Bank
    aware of any civilian casualties.”RogueAI

    Oh, cool! What a shocker. I’m sure Israel has the capability for precise targeting, after all, and that no innocent people will be among the dead.

    Nothing to see.
  • Israel killing civilians in Gaza and the West Bank
    All roads lead back to WW2.RogueAI

    How tiresome.

    By that logic, Hamas is also justified in what they did. Innocent people die in war — “too bad.” I suppose the Israelis shouldn’t demand justice for all the dead civilians. War is hell.
  • Israel killing civilians in Gaza and the West Bank
    Another day, another “accidental” bombing of a school and innocent people being murdered. But war is hell and collateral damage and Hamas etc.
  • Climate Change (General Discussion)


    Looks like women are our last best hope.RogueAI

    Could be.
  • Climate Change (General Discussion)

    The planet just marked a “shocking” new milestone, enduring 12 consecutive months of unprecedented heat, according to new data from Copernicus, the European Union’s climate monitoring service.

    Every single month from June 2023 to May 2024 was the world’s hottest such month on record, Copernicus data showed

    12 Months of Records

    Turning the planet into Venus seems to be the goal.
  • Climate Change (General Discussion)
    Electric Cars Are Suddenly Becoming Affordable

    More (somewhat) good news. Thinking my next car will be a used EV.

    More efficient manufacturing, falling battery costs and intense competition are lowering sticker prices for battery-powered models to within striking distance of gasoline cars.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)


    It is interesting to watch Stewart in his old show again after nearly a decade. So much less cringey than how other “talk show hosts” handle these things, in part because he prioritizes humor.

    It’s fun that he’s back for the election.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)


    I read what you said very well, and it’s obvious where you’ve gotten your information, what you’ve been taken in by, and where you stake your assumptions.

    This is obvious because I (and others), unlike you, follow this stuff closely. You show up spouting talking points straight from conservative media, Trump tropes and other bromides that we’ve seen many times and which are indeed boring and ignorant. It’s “Well Hillary was an election denier too!” and similar statements. If you really see it as the same thing from what Trump was doing and continues to do, then “reason and logic” really doesn’t apply to you, and you deserve exactly what you’ve gotten.

    It's the unequal and politicized application of the law that even some on the left are deeply concerned about.fishfry

    Let the Clintons and Bidens be jailed too for all I care. The Republicans were trying for years and continue to try. Their cases are so stupid it’s not worth discussing— what they should be doing is going after stock trading and other issues like that, but because they’re just as culpable, they won’t.

    So it’s not unequal — for anyone paying attention, it’s been happening for years. See Clinton 1998 or Hillary’s emails or the current impeachment “inquiry” into Sleepy Joe. Trump’s hush money case is small potatoes, but because he’s such a moron and so blatantly corrupt, it’s easy to win in court. That’s the real difference. The other cases — like overthrowing an election — are more serious.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    The most abject conjecture and persistent appeal to authority is their highest degree of evidenceNOS4A2

    Says an election denier, a climate denier, and a Trump defender. :rofl:
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)


    Not that much riding on some rambling imbecile on the internet. Just come to this thread to laugh a little and go about your day.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)


    Up is down and black is white. Don’t try to reason— just enjoy the show. Trump is perfect— the rest follows.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    There are plenty wrongly convicted felons.NOS4A2

    :rofl: Yes yes!!

    Please continue your incomprehensible defense of this degenerate con man. It’s comedic gold.