Also better to be honest and moral instead of dangerously, irresponsibly ignorant. To each his own though.

We've tried the friendly educational method for decades. They only become triggered and hostile like it's their privilege to be taken seriously, regardless of how utterly uneducated and downright stupid their ideas are. — Christoffer

Yes.

If only Malcolm X had been nicer. If he really cared, he wouldn’t have been so cynical and hurt so many peoples delicate feelings— those poor victims.

Martin Luther King — same deal. But a little nicer. Less offensive to privileged white people. But oh yeah, he was despised and killed anyway.

It’s almost as if focusing on tone and niceness and feelings and moral “objectivity” is just another way of avoiding facts, problems, and solutions.

Anyway — yes, please excuse me if I have zero tolerance for ignorance and propaganda on this issue anymore. If you’ve not taken the maybe 4-5 hours it takes to familiarize yourself with the issue beyond the slogans, then you can indeed fuck off. Especially when you come with anything other than a willingness to learn. This is science, not psychotherapy.

One’s failure to understand such an important issue is, at this point, inexcusable and immoral. If that attitude is too harsh for some — too bad.

you're the one — baker

Okay! Bye.

All those idiots protesting and pushing for nuclear disarmament for all those decades, screaming about how a nuclear war would be the “end of humanity.” Did it happen?? No! Just more doomerism/alarmism.

ng, I am not a denier of anthropogenic climate change — Lionino

Of course not. You are just asking legitimate questions about the science and trotting out fashionable lines from climate “skeptics.” Carry on.



Yes, and it’s great to have humanitarians like you to swoop in with your Dr. Phil analyses on hurt feelings. If only we could all model your approach: smug, condescending, self-righteous blowhardery.

Incidentally, sarcastic comments like yours are also “really really” helpful. Way to lead by example. Good work.

Just ignore the deniers. Leave them to their slogans. “The climate is always changing!” Cool—bye!

It has been changing since the Earth came to be. — Lionino

Thanks for proving my point.

@Ege You’ll see that this tired, stupid line is the current go-to among the climate denial crowd.

You’ll find a few climate deniers on here you exist merely to voice their uninformed “skepticism” about this topic. Ignore them.

Nuclear weapons and climate change are existential problems. The publishers of the Doomsday Clock have an informative website about exactly your concerns: https://thebulletin.org/

Interesting. Well in that case, double-fuck them too.

I know that the greenhouse effect was understood back in the late 19th century, so if we take that as a starting point, it rivals tobacco.

There were plenty of people worried about the bad effects of smoking around the 1900s but there wasn't any statistical proof. That came in the 1940s which led to more propaganda. — Benkei

I thought it was the 60s. But I won’t Wikipedia it— I’ll take your word for it.

Isn’t Hunter’s laptop relevant? — praxis

It’s only biased when it’s the bad team.

You can find know-nothing imbeciles making statements on a topic they refuse to learn about (too hard) all the time. Easy to feel superior to them.

Take quantum physics. “All nonsense — it’s just a result of groupthink.” Boom, I’m smart and my opinion is just as valid as anyone’s.

Saw that. I knew that they were well aware in the late 70s…but the 50s? Incredible.

Just shows how much better their propaganda and influence has been compared to big tobacco. Tobacco delayed a backlash for 30 years. Big oil is literally destroying the world, and yet they’ve denied and delayed for 70 years. Have to hand it to them.

Probably why most people shouldn’t read Neitzsche.

What a shocker you choose her. There’s little chance she wrote that anyway.

I encourage you to read what the other 15 judges said.

It's almost like they don't really believe a genocide is going on. — RogueAI

No.

:up:

And finally, I personally think there's an alternative term for what the paper calls 'lived experience', which helps to orientate the discussion more clearly in the context of the philosophical tradition. I wonder if there are any guesses as to what this word might be? — Wayfarer

Phenomenology?

What were you thinking?

Interesting OP.

[Edit: just realized this was 5 years ago.]

Why didn't the ICJ demand a cease-fire? — RogueAI

Cool, now we suddenly care about the world court.

They should have. The reason is they’re playing it extremely cautiously. What’s more telling is that they haven’t completely dismissed the charges. It’s almost as if 10,000 dead babies is hard to ignore.

Living through a genocide happening before our eyes, with 10000+ children dead, and yet apologists think this time it’s an exception.

History will view them poorly.

Not sure if I posted this before. Some readings from 2023:

https://www.energymonitor.ai/finance/reporting-and-disclosure/just-1-3-of-companies-get-triple-a-for-environmental-discourse-2022-cdp/

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/11/climate/climate-propane-influence-campaign.html

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/01/26/business/nightcap-chevron-stock-buyback/index.html

https://climatefeedback.org/feedbacks/

https://www.eenews.net/articles/meet-the-top-house-recipients-of-oil-and-gas-money/

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/31/climate/renewable-energy-transition.html

https://grist.org/economics/eu-green-deal-270-billion/

https://grist.org/international/investor-state-dispute-settlements-keystone-pipeline/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=beacon

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2023/02/22/climate/heat-pumps-extreme-cold.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/27/business/energy-environment/oil-gas-renewable-energy-jobs.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/23/climate/renewable-energy-us-electrical-grid.html

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/mar/06/revealed-1000-super-emitting-methane-leaks-risk-triggering-climate-tipping-points

https://www.eenews.net/articles/rural-utilities-turn-disruptive-as-they-embrace-renewables/

Voted last night in the primary. Quiet at the polling place. My vote for Vermin Supreme was part of a complicated moral strategy which will make a big difference.

Yes, and have been shown to be numerous times.

They’re most likely underestimates, as it takes time to confirm. I’m sure it’s well over 12000 at this point. I’m being deliberately conservative.

Interstellar — AmadeusD

It’s the one I haven’t seen.

I remember liking Memento, but that was 20 years ago. Never saw Insomnia. The Batmans were OK. Didn’t care for Dunkirk— another bloated, engineered, noisy crapper. Inception was cool at times, but also a little overcooked.

Nolan has unfortunately become a try-hard. He makes movies that try to be what he thinks audiences consider masterpieces. What you end up with is something that has elements of gravitas and profundity but really is just a chore to watch.

I am extremely disappointed by your clearly factually incorrect opinion on Nolan. — AmadeusD

All I can do is quote myself:

The actors try their best, but it’s 3 hours of bells and whistles that tries desperately to be a “masterpiece,” when in reality it’s just an empty, boring, and enervating piece of shit. — Mikie

Well said, if I don’t say so myself.

10,000 children slaughtered and counting.

Eh, I think it’s clear that the Trump crowd are far more dangerous. But in many ways the woke crowd is more obnoxious.

Sometimes I wonder who’s crazier— Wokesters or Trumpers. Then I remember the real question… who’s more dangerous? And it becomes pretty obvious.

So, I can accept he misspoke perhaps. — AmadeusD

Not possible. Trump doesn’t misspeak and doesn’t lose. When he said Obama was the literal founder of ISIS, repeatedly, he both meant it and didn’t mean it. It’s sarcasm.

Concerning the constitution comment:

The Fake News is actually trying to convince the American People that I said I wanted to ‘terminate’ the Constitution. This is simply more DISINFORMATION & LIES

That comes from Trump, so it has to be true.

Your belief otherwise is just falling for liberal media propaganda. Yada yada “contextomy” and boom, all good. Make America great again.

Suspending all rules of the constitution isn’t the same as suspending the constitution.

Talk about Trump derangement syndrome.

So Trump will win New Hampshire tomorrow and will go on to easily win the nomination. Biden will win by mail-in vote, and will easily win the nomination.

The last year of speculation and hand-wringing was a complete waste of time. This was predictable.

If we were rational, mass transit would be a thing in the US.

Another stat: cars/vans account for about 50% of transportation emissions. Transportation as a whole makes up about 30% of carbon emissions in the United States— the largest of any sector.

So you’re also OK with what Hamas did, provided the victims voted for the current terrorist regime in Israel? Good — at least you’re consistent.

Oh, I see. So just no sympathy for those who voted for Hamas 17 years ago and who happened to be murdered now.

I stand corrected about your humanity.

Lol, it's too ripe... It's cute that you try to use "begging the question," fallacy yet don't even know how it's applied. — Vaskane

I, and many others, have already pointed this out on the Ukraine thread. Just do what everyone else has learned to do: ignore him.

No sympathy for Hamas or the people who voted them into power. They're getting their just desserts. — RogueAI

Yeah, those 10,000 babies should have known better.

You’re a sick guy.

And, he lost the election. — Wayfarer

Yeah— so much time is spent on election deniers that this significant little fact is often overlooked. Trump lost, and lost big. 7 million votes or so. Rather than question why, Trump made up fairytales which his cult swallowed and continues to believe/defend. Then the MAGA crowd failed in Georgia, then failed in 2022.

They’ll likely fail again in the fall. But they won’t even scratch their heads about it— because they’ll claim it was rigged. The problem is obvious: even against a weak candidate like Biden, independents and most of the American electorate hate Trump, and for very good reason.

energetic — jgill

:up:

quick-witted — jgill

:lol: Come on.

Men are born ignorant, not stupid. They are made stupid by education.

— BR