Yes, but if we refer to the diaspora of the Jews across the world, we are talking about the ethno-religious group,
Do you think the Israeli numbers are credible? I would hazard neither can be trusted. But I also find it extremely hard to think the numbers aren't at least in that neighbourhood given the disparity in both technology and funding. — AmadeusD
Yes this is the group I was referring to. The Jewish people as a whole, an ethno-religious group. If I were referring to the aggressors in Israel I would likely say Zionist, or Netanyahu’s government. — Punshhh
So the basic message of that video: once you have war, then you can steal land. :roll:The only thing dumb is your remark about the video(s). Which inclines me to believe the fellow who makes them, in all of his videos that you are so dismissive of, is making good points. I myself am not in a position to verify them, but they seem about right. — tim wood
It has been my impression that much of the many pages of this discussion has been about cherry-picking the history, even thousands of years of it. By which process pretty much anything can be proved. My own view is that sometimes history need not be consulted, that sometimes an event is sufficient in itself for all purposes, and I hold the events of 7 October to have made that just such a day. And it seems reasonable to me that the Israelis should in response seek the destruction of Hamas. And by reasonable I mean susceptible to reason and in particular not to be properly resolved by knee-jerk faux and misplaced compassion. Ranting may feel good, but as with other exercises of personal pleasure, is most seemly kept private.It seems about right to you because you're dumb. There has been plenty of discussion about war and annexation of land in this thread, — Benkei
Hamas isn't the Palestine state, just like Hezbollah isn't Lebanon. — ssu
If that's what's needed, that might be the go.I should just ignore him. — Benkei
I would love to have a discussion with you but gave up on tim 2 years ago. He doesn't know shit about the subject but insists on posting crap.
Edit: check page 76. — Benkei
I scrolled through p. 76 twice. didn't find you there. Try again? And how does it happen that listening to both sides - or trying to - attending to the news, and thinking about it, is crap? — tim wood
In the literature it's known as "the hard problem of calling the Jews".
Are we dealing with a traumatised psyche, not just of the Jewish people, but of civilisation as a whole. Why is the concept of genocide so worrying? It must have happened many times in prehistory, prior to modern civilisation. — Punshhh
We have to wade through propaganda, vested interests, media control and bias and try to remain unbiased ourselves. — Punshhh
Well, we do generally call the 1967 war a "pre-emptive strike" by Israel, hence it started that war. And it was that war where the occupied territories were taken by Israel, which was condemned by the UN security council, including the US. So with that said, it appears so.Are you arguing here that the Israelis start wars against their neighbors in order to take their land? — tim wood
I think especially because of the "Operation Swords of Iron", nobody has in mind the peace process anymore.If elections were held in the WB, Hamas would win. I want to believe that Hamas is not the voice of the palestinians, but they quite likely are. — BitconnectCarlos
All these core assumptions deserve to be investigated and questioned as applied also to the conflict we are discussing. They all are potential sources of mystification.
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