7 EU countries plus the UK have a higher death rate per million than the US...so you are admitting that most of the EU have done a terrible job too...that Trump has done better than most Western EU countries?

I'm with you on this...the best way forward is to accept "no deal", deals will emerge over time, we'll just have to accept some economic fall-out which will be dwarfed by the economic fall-out from the virus in any case. In other words, a Brexit deal no longer matters.

My only difference with you is that I think the EU have been played very well by the UK government, that ultimately the UK government sees no deal as far superior to some half-baked deal that ties us to EU rules.I also think that the EU is on the path to its own implosion...but time will tell.

Who knows. It was an example of why postal votes are not a good option...it's a lot harder to force someone to vote in a particular way at a polling station...that's why they were created dumb-ass.

"Pandemic - preventable mass casualties ...
Depression-level unemployment ...
Nationwide urban anti-racist rebellion ..."

Like you would have done a better job of stopping a pandemic...even the Norwegians are admitting that lock down may have been a bad idea because of the economic costs and the fact that they have built no herd immunity unlike Sweden.

Depression level unemployment will affect the world equally if it happens at all.

It's not a anti-racist rebellion, it's an excuse to destroy and steal.

Postal voting is open to abuse, there is nothing more to discuss on the matter.Your eyes are open to reality or they are closed.

I don't really want to bring Brexit onto this thread either.

The EU's attempt to string out negotiations will fail!

"It is understood that a letter from the UK chief negotiator David Frost to Mr Barnier, sent on May 21, in which Mr Frost said he was “perplexed” by the EU’s refusal to offer Britain the sort of deal it had offered other countries, sounded the alarm bell for some EU members and made them realise just how risky it could be for the EU to continue marking time."

I'm with you on that....but I guess we should never count our chickens and always be prepared. In some ways this event can be seen as a dry run for greater dangers ahead...like the return of something like the Spanish flu.

I'm with you there, this virus could be a catalyst for major events to start unfolding. There is also potential for this virus to mutate into something far worse, so I'm not blind to the potential of catastrophe...it's just unlikely.

Didn't look into that, so maybe.

And by the way I notice you called me a racist, you wouldn't do that to my face so play nice keyboard warrior.

Why do leftists think they own facts? Facts are truth whether you like them or not. Now admit that it is clearly easier to corrupt postal votes than traditional voting where you go into a private booth and others can't see who you vote for...go on, admit a truth, it's hard admitting something you don't like.

You make light of my point because you know I am correct, the bullying husband can force the wife to vote against her will.

Only a moron would believe that there is no corruption involved in postal votes. When a system is easy to corrupt it will be corrupted...there's a basic fact for you.

You leftists have a strange relationship with truth, often you argue against a truth which normal people can see obviously and instantly. I think that often it is because your ilk believes itself to be cleverer than you are...just always remember this basic fact too, being clever is not the same as being right, in actual fact it can make you utterly deluded.

I'll give you just one example because it's so fucking obvious that there are many issues...

The bully husband leans over his wife's shoulder whilst she fills her ballot paper out. There you go, it ain't rocket science.

Latest figure that I've seen is that 2 kids under that age of 15 have died due to covid 19, sad but hardly evidence of the end of days.

I think the human race will make it to the end of 2020 though, call it a hunch.

You have to put these things in perspective...what percentage of people are actually badly harmed by the virus (under 1%) ? And what percentage of the American population are actually rioting ( a few thousand out of 300 million). The zombie apocalypse is not yet upon us, don't panic lol.

Good news about these riots kicking off in the States is that clearly lock-down is over (wahoo!) and the cherry on the cake is that it virtually guarantees Trump's re-election...after all these riots are basically happening in Democrat areas, shows how fucked up those places are.

I'll give you an example of how the left tries to destroy an idea...

Let's say that a common sense idea is that postal voting is easy to manipulate , easy to corrupt. To attempt to destroy that concept leftists say not having postal votes is racist... but in no way address the point of postal voting corruption.

Racism is an accusation dumb-ass leftists use to close down discussion on any particular subject that they are losing the argument on ,luckily it doesn't work so much now that 99% of the world is basically racist by hard-left standards lol..

Turns out I'm a conceptualist as well as a nob lol.

That's why people put up with you for short bursts.

I didn't know what nominalism was so I looked it up...William of Ockham is the foundation of one of my ideas (Occam's razor)... which is interesting... basically it means God exists lol. He lived a few miles up the road from where I am (William not God lol).

Left or right are old, outdated ideas really, we all know you need a combination of the two...trouble is the left are the establishment now and wish to destroy the ideas of the right that are fruitful.

I used to vote Labour once upon a time and I vote Conservative now...but last time I wish I could have voted for the Brexit party... a party of both the left and right.

I also think that if someone is firing up a discussion in this sort of place , that's a positive thing...expressing passion through a message board is hard but that also makes it good to see....it's not like we can beat the shit out of each other is it.

Well I'm the same as you mate, could be here, in my work van or in a pub, love an argument...but lefties can't take different views, they try to control their space...safe spaces and all that , they're very needy.

Seriously do leftists just want somebody to agree with?

But it's you lot smelling it.

Just a quickie mate, don't want to get in the way of your chat with Nos...don't you find it odd that it's leftists who constantly bleat on about people's race...seems kind of racist. I'm a righty and I literally couldn't give a flying fuck what colour you are...just saying.

Correct.

What is it with you leftists and self-identifying?

It is clearly being used for political gain (covid 19) by the left .Don't forget it was a leftist regime that inflicted this on the world too Mr Moron.

It's a shame but science seems to have become a branch of politics...Hitler did something similar.

You're bashing your head against the wall with this lot mate...they can't figure out how postal votes could be rigged (I reckon a 10 year old could figure it out) but there you go.

I also think it's likely that leftists would be more inclined to try vote rigging...lying is in their dna.

I'm surprised he thinks they can fill out a ballot...maybe he thinks that they need guidance...

Well ,luckily you're keeping it simple and predictable for me. Cheers.

The word "expert" gets brandied about by people for support when they haven't got a leg to stand on. Most "experts" are sell outs...especially if their field of expertise can be politicised.

There is corruption in high places ...I'm surprised you didn't realise that.

The Electoral Commission looks biased and inept. Time for reform

I think it's a laugh that people like you think you have some kind of connection with that chap that got killed...

Ask yourself this, of all the people that got murdered, raped and shat on in the world today why is all your concern about him?

You live in a world where authority can be trusted...I feel happy that you are secure in your trust and that your delusion can make you feel good. Everyone else knows postal voting is open to abuse.