Ok guys Thank you all for showing me that I know very little :)
I really have to read a lot more on this to fully understand the argument.

Would be great if you guys give me some recommendations on what to read.

Thanks!

"I'm responsible for getting my laundry washed. Maybe you have a similar responsibility. If you do, then you know as I know, that responsibility gets nothing done."

i feel like that a diffrent kind of responsibility though.

"What are those qualities and are they coherent? It may perhaps even be the case that actual infinities cannot exist in reality only merely potential infinities such as constantly adding one to another number versus the whole natural number line"

he would have to have some kind of free will and some sort of creative power right?

with infinite i mean infinite in time. if he is infinite in time, he has no cause.

"Craig then proceeds to somehow make this cause "divine" (of his own flavor, too), which mostly looks like a sleight of hand move."


Correct me if I'm wrong but if we grant that there is a cause for the universe, this cause has to have at least some godlike qualities right?


What I'm arguing is that we don't really need a god in order to establish something timeless and infinite

In other words if we believe that god can be infinitive then the universe can be infinitive too
in other words: when someone believs god is infinite in order to exclude him from premiss one, why dont we just believe that the universe is infinite, since god proves that its possible

Yeah, I know there is probably a lot more to consider here but I will try best.

1. so with cause i mean something that is responsible for something happening. (i dont know how to explain it any further)

2. With existing I mean everything material whether that is all the fundamental particles or atoms, depends (where all fundamental particles are included) on your view of existing things. But in either case it's all material.

3. I don't really understand what you mean with conception of time. Do you maybe mean that beginning of something needs further explanation because I refer to something where time wasn't even existing?

forgive me if thats just non-sense

I don't know isn't cause pretty self-explanatory?
With cause i mean something that is responsible for something happening.
For example a rock can't move by its own it needs something that caused him to move, like strong wind or a human kicking the stone.

The argument is saying that everything that beginns to exist needs to have something that caused it to do that