Can God make mistakes? think so.
>>>First, if God can't make mistakes, then there would be something he couldn't do. Yet God can do anything. Thus God can make mistakes.<<<
I'm sure the flower power hippie all is love people would disagree with you on this but I actually agree with you on it. assuming there's a sky Daddy that is.
>>>One might object that though the person of God can make mistakes, he would cease to be God were he ever to make one (just as, by analogy, a bachelor can acquire a wife, but he ceases to be a bachelor when or if he does so). So, the person of God can make mistakes, but not 'as God'. (All one is admitting here is that God has the ability to cease to be God).<<<
I don't know why people continually make this God figure into a singular type of sky daddy being with a human mind and human limitations and attributes with a sprinkle of woden style.
>>>But I don't think that's true either. That is, I think God - as God - can make mistakes.<<<
like an infection people let whatever their perspective on reality is bleed into any thought experiment they have so much so that they might as well be the character that they're pretending to exercise in the experiment.
they use their own logic whatever is popular at the time in their social culture so their middle class rights and their modern wrongs they were taught by their parents so on and so forth become the backbone of the very thing that somehow created all of existence which includes things they are completely unaware of due to its vast complexity that will never be comprehended by a single person yet they've somehow compacted it into this Starbucks at lunch break sized concept that's easily digestible.
>>>First, to make a mistake, it seems to me, requires a false belief. So can God have a false belief? Yes, why not?<<<
well of course he could assuming sky daddy existed he would have to be able to have everything. I thought that was an obvious.
>>>Well, one might think that God cannot have a false belief for God is all knowing. However, as I have pointed out in another thread, to be all knowing is to be in possession of all knowledge. And knowledge involves having a justified 'true' belief. <<<
why do you keep humping this concept that knowledge has to have justified true belief? you keep bringing up justified true belief.
define justification? do you think there is a fundamental justification that's the same across the board therefore can be applied to all scenarios of knowledge to then say this is justified true belief and that is not a justified true belief?
>>>So, God could be in possession of all justified true beliefs, and also have some false beliefs as well. <<<
why do you think he has beliefs at all? beliefs are something human beings have out of ignorance mainly but sometimes out of necessity so they think but a belief is kind of like shoes although it makes you feel much more comfortable you don't have to have them to walk and most other mammals as far as I know don't have them.
>>>For an analogy: let's say I own all the world's Rembrandts. Well, does that mean I own no fake Rembrandts? No, for the claim that I own all the world's Rembrandts is entirely consistent with me also owning some fake Rembrandts.<<<
obviously I'm not sure what the confusion there was. perhaps people misunderstood you in thinking you said you owned all Rembrandt's and nothing else?
under the vague limitations of your statement one could conclude that you own all of the worlds Rembrandt's as well as any given number of fake Rembrandt's.
>>>Nevertheless, one might object that to be all knowing is to know all true propositions.
>>>But that is false, for a) knowledge is made not just of true beliefs, but of justified true beliefs. <<<
there you go again with that Idiocracy why do you keep saying that? is there a philosopher of the past you have a crush on? did he say it?. do you really think there isn't knowledge out there that's not true or justifiable? you don't think that there's knowledge that's untrue and not justifiable?, really?.
>>>So knowledge has at least two ingredients, not one. And thus being in possession of all knowledge is not equivalent to knowing all true propositions. It is to be in possession of all 'justified' true propositions. And b) there are clearly true propositions that it seems impossible to know. For example, take the proposition "It is raining, but no one believes it is raining". That proposition is capable of being true. Yet to believe it is to falsify it; <<<
so much salad nothing worth commenting on.
>>>and as knowledge cannot involve a false belief, that proposition - if or when it is true - cannot be known.<<<
where on Earth were you molested to get that concept? can you validate that apparent precious concept of yours?.
Thus, being all knowing does not involve knowing all true propositions. It involves knowing all 'justified' true propositions. At this point, then, it seems consistent with being all knowing that one has some false beliefs in addition to all the justified true ones.
However, one might object that God would nevertheless have to know that those false beliefs of his were false - for otherwise there would be something he did not know. But again, that's false and fails to take the above lesson. If God has a false belief P, then although the proposition "God's belief that P is false" is true, that is not sufficient to qualify it as an item of knowledge.<<<
so much salad I just don't care.
>>>Again, for a proposition to qualify as an item of knowledge, it has to be 'justified'. It is not sufficient that it be true.<<<
why on Earth does it have to be justified in order to be knowledge? who taught you that? and can I beat them with a wiffle ball bat? , explain please.
>>>What is a justification made of? Well, a justification is made of God's attitudes. That is, to be 'justified' in believing something is for God to favour you believing it. <<<
that is borderline made up troll content it is so bad I'm about to just write you off as a troll because that was a very very dumb statement I don't even know how you could rephrase that to make it make sense.
>>>If that's true, then if God believes P, then God favours himself believing it, else he wouldn't believe it. And similarly, God disfavours himself believing not-P. And thus the proposition "God's belief that P is false" is one that God does not favour himself - or anyone else - believing. It is true. But it is not justified. And thus God, in not believing it, does not manifest a deficiency in knowledge.
Thus, I can see no compelling reason to think that God cannot make mistakes. God is omnipotent, omniscient and omnibenevolent. But possession of those qualities seems - at this point in my reflections anyway - to be consistent with making mistakes.<<<
it's pretty sad when a being that is not all of those attributes but possesses lesser attributes will conceptualize this idea of a being that does have those attributes and thinks that he understands those attributes and can apply them to this sky Daddy it's just ridiculous how can something lesser grasp the something greater? it's like picking yourself up from your own bootstraps grunt all you want but you're not picking yourself up likewise you're not going to conceptualize the thing that is the reason for all existence no matter how hard you try.