I've explained before that that is for the benefit of other readers. This is you: "I don't know what racism means" and after it is explained "that's pc bulcrap". I can't help you with your denial of reality.

All the nationalists must be wringing their hands at the moment. They gain popularity after each recession.

oooh, trying to goad me now? I told you I don't take you seriously. The day you have a consistent thought I'll grace it with more attention than a smiley. Until then: :lol:

Over here for the American who isn't an American. :lol:

Because biological qualifications aren't relevant as history has quite clearly shown. The usage of the term racism historically and contemporaneously refers to both race and ethnicity (either common ancestry or shared culture).

Biological race is something different from how people use the term race.

So yes, your usage of the "Chinese virus" was a racist remark. And no, that's not a conspiracy but how the word had been used for a century now.

OK then. You can stop the "Chinese aren't a race" complaint forever.

Race is a sociological construct, not a biological.

The tragedy of the commons is a theory that originated after Locke's death but nice try.

It was getting attention well before Trump mentioned it. See: https://www.rtlnieuws.nl/editienl/artikel/5028061/oud-malaria-medicijn-chloroquine-coronavirus

That's 19 of February. They've been giving it since then at least in the Netherlands and it's been given attention in China, Japan and South Korea. Trump may have sped up the process to allow testing in the USA though.

Second, given it's widespread use in other countries and the fact people are still dying en masse, don't confuse this with the miracle cure Trump suggests it is.

Gross negligence more to your liking?

I never took the tragedy of the commons literally but as a conceptualisation as to how externalisation of costs happen.

I just spoke with him. It doesn't work so now they're using it as protective gear for themselves. :-)

More good news: they're pretty sure now (at least in the Netherlands) chloroquine is beneficial during treatment. However, the people coming in for the IC are often also constipated and aren't capable of eating themselves. All the medicines they're already getting have an effect on the QT-interval as does chloroquine. So it's difficult to dose correctly.

The solution of the tragedy of the commons most certainly isn't "property rights". I suggest you read up on it again.

3. Is, I t hink, not even about egocentrism. It's much more about abstract and personal risk and how people react to those. If you're old or have comorbidity, you run personal risk and those people tend to take precautions regardless of what the government says. If you're young the personal risk is low, and the risk you pose to others becomes abstract. You might stop seeing your own grandparents but you'll still be leaving your germs all over the place and giving it to people who do see their grandparents or where old people go as well - like shops and the like.

It's very reminiscent of the tragedy of the commons really, where certain behaviour makes sense on a personal level but it's terrible behaviour for the group as a whole.

It's definitely an issue in some countries. Just not Sweden and the Netherlands. Heard about Hungary or course but haven't studied it at all. Maybe you have a good link for me?

The latest estimate is .66% in the lancet.

Yeah, that's why he was looking for something that covered the entire face without leaking air, which regular CPAP still do. It's a snorkling mask from the local sports store. 20 euro per mask and he can fit 4 per room. Testing it this week.

And I guess it's more of a BIPAP this way?. (I'm not familiar with every piece of equipment as I don't work in health care).

We tried without fines and people wouldn't keep their distance (we had gridlock to the beach). After that weekend they instituted fines. So you get a warning first and then a fine if you persist. Usually the 1.5 m rule. And they broke up a student party once.

At the local hospital they disinfect masks with UV light if they're still dry to make sure they don't run out.

My neighbour build a CPAP with this: https://contents.mediadecathlon.com/p1576986/k$8b56c4956b2622eaaabe33999f2d1229/sq/Snorkelmasker+Easybreath+marineblauw.webp?f=550x550

That's very vague. There are a lot of differences per county. Sweden prohibits gatherings over 50 people and closed schools, except for primary schools.

The Netherlands hadn't prohibited gatherings but prohibits any event for which a license is required, regardless of size. Outside people should keep 1.5 meters distance but theoretically a lot more than 50 people can be in one place, like the beach or a park. All are schools are closed though, as are the cafés and bars.

So which lock down is stricter?

You're confusing different threads. But you are a little cute Trumpanzee. How Trump's flight ban wasn't going to be effective has already been dealt with ages ago. If you don't do contact tracing of US citizens when they arrive from hot spots, the travel ban is meaningless.

It also, in no way or form, would've excused him from not implementing social distancing much earlier, even if he would've implemented the travel ban in a sensible manner.

To put it clearly for you, if I'd save someone from drowning, that action doesn't excuse me from murdering someone else.

I give it until this weekend. Sweden has some of the least hospital beds per capita so they will run up against the limits of their health care capacity quickly. Also a lock down isn't a lock down isn't a lock down.

What do you think a lock down is?

Prepare for the next jobless recovery.

Bolsonara is an even bigger cunt than Trump. Quite the achievement.

No name calling occurred snowflake.

That data is available on worldometers.info . Have fun figuring out the obvious.

Also, why Trump is a cunt. Here he is on March 15:

“This is a very contagious virus. It’s incredible. But it’s something we have tremendous control of.”

March 7: Trump isn't concerned at all. Which is why he doesn't do anything.

March 6: he lies about the fact not enough tests are available.

March 2: "We'll have vaccines soon." Fauci same day : no we won't.

So that's well into March.

But the winning comment on February 27:

It’s going to disappear. One day — it’s like a miracle — it will disappear. And from our shores, we — you know, it could get worse before it gets better. It could maybe go away. Well see what happens. Nobody really knows.

So really, what foresight are you on about, Trumpanzee?

And why do you call Trump a cunt for having actually more foresight that his political rivals, who downplayed the Corona threat well into February? — Nobeernolife

By looking at other countries that had their eye on the ball. 20,000 is still generous.

It's all in the sentence I wrote. Instead of jumping to conclusions that are patently absurd, if something is unclear you can ask questions.

Learn to read.

It's also incredibly cynical that 100,000 deaths is a good job. The reply is "No, you fucking cunt. You are way too late to do a good job, which results in 100,000 deaths instead of the 20,000 it should've been when you would've acted on time instead of downplaying the risks."

and certainly we didn't shut down the economy in 2016 when 80,000 Americans died of the flu (official CDC number). — fishfry

This is first of all incorrect: https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2016-2017.html

28,000 to 61,000 is the right number.

Second, the two diseases are nowhere near comparable. First of all, most people have some resistance to the flu for being exposed to it before, meaning it's less contagious as not everyone will infect another person. For CV in principle any person is capable of infecting another if you don't take precautions. The spread for CV is therefore much faster.

Third, the latest estimate for CV death rate = .66% compared to the .1% for the flu. Doing nothing would mean it would infect about 50-60% of US citizens much less than for the flu because a lot of people have (partial) resistance to the latter (e.g. only 10% is symptomatic, so possibly 20% at the most). The CV death rate would mean 1,079,100 to 1,294,920 deaths on a 327 million population for the US.

And that's still excluding the effects of deaths due to the unavailability of health care resource not directly related to CV.

80,000 is therefore entirely manageable, especially spread out over the entire flu season and the entirity of the USA, where CV is currently still more or less limited to a couple of epicenters. CV is not manageable unless you include social distancing and wait for a cure.

My travel plans for this summer:

Hallsinki and Islamabathroom

CFTC Quietly Bails Out Capital One

Exclusive: Capital One got CFTC waiver after oil price plunge increased swap exposure - sources — fishfry

That first one is really a very misleading title. They've relaxed rules for posting of collateral, which is temporary regulatory relief. Capital Requirements for banks have also been relaxed.

That's not a negotiation though. That's the administration using what tools they have to try and get a reaction. I have yet to see evidence that anything of substance has or will come of it. The hard reality is that the american standard of living depends on outsourcing production to countries with cheap labour. If you want to get the manufacturing jobs back, you have to accept a significant reduction in the standard of living. — Echarmion

This is of course interesting. A significant reduction in the standard of living because you can buy less cheap crap. But what would a society win if it has a strong manufacturing base? That really depends on what it would look like of course. What if it comes with increased respect for the working class, better working conditions etc.? The "less stuff" may be outweighed by intangible benefits.

A self sufficient alcoholic? Nice.

My wife and I might move up to SM strangulation with the possibility of not stopping on time. With a bit of luck they'll call it corona due to the asphyxiation. And it's only week 3. :cry:

EDIT: For the benefit of those who always think I'm serious about corona-Olympics and the like: I'm just kidding. I love my wife.

I also like most Americans in an adorable dog kind of way, too stupid for its own good but you want to hug them anyway.

I heard the same and that it actually lingers after recovery. I'd sell your whiskey collection before it's too late.

This thread misses the point. The problem isn't wet markets and wild food but the increased capitalisation of wild food and the physical pressure on hunting grounds due to mechanical agriculture requiring arable land. This forces hunters to hunt deeper in unknown areas and catch more to stay competitive. It's these twin pressures that simply increase the likelihood of pathogens transmitting to humans.

We've hunted as a species since we could draw and had wet markets for millenia. The problem isn't wet markets.

NY is also very densely populated with a lot of commuting. I wouldn't be surprised if the R0 would be higher there simply due to circumstance.

For medicines that it makes sense to go to phase 1 testing (of 3 phases), about 27% end up in phase 2. Good to know you don't read my replies to you, because I already told you this before.

But yes, there's a reason we wait for controlled testing. One of the more famous episodes before controlled testing was mercury treatment for syphilis. That was absolutely wonderful and killed more people than it cured them of syphilis.

I'm all for moving into concrete testing on a larger scale, controlled phase 1 testing, and giving it to people who are on the brink but it shouldn't be prescribed widely until it's gone through and successfully completed phase 3 testing. It needs to be clear however that it's testing.

Thanks!