Wittgenstein scares me a little, because I see some of him in me. Not the genius or sheer intellect, don't get me wrong, I'm not conceited enough to think I'm at his level. But I always imagine his works, fine on paper, shadowed by his irl reflexive disdain for others. I'm a judgy person, and so was he (though he may have actually merited his judginess). He's always been a cautionary tale for me, not a role model. — csalisbury

That's interesting about his sister. I feel sorry for them, all of them. The Wittgenstein's struggled immensily with the amount of intellect they had in that family. Wittgenstein was quite close to losing his mind a couple of times if I recall correctly. He also often contemplated suicide, though I can't say if it was out of depression, rather out of disdain with himself or humanity. I feel as though most of them felt detached from humanity and others due to their wealth (which they felt uncomfortable with to some degree), upbringing, and education (most home-schooled). Most of them felt quite lonely and I suppose they couldn't find someone to fill that hole. It reverberates strongly in Ludwig Wittgenstein's writings and personality.

Some sort of inability to connect.

Each forum has its own standards and they're welcome to 'em. I've seen nothing from you here that would warrant you being put on our ban radar. — Baden

Yay! So happy about feeling safe here at TPF. Happy dayz.

This is a fantastic view on Wittgenstein's life.

[...] at the end of the day, do nothing at all because that apparently is your highest virtue. — Hanover

It never ends, does it?

No interrogation. I was just pointing out to BC that your statement was ambiguous. I had my struggles in college as well, and there's much to be said about just hanging in there.

I do appreciate your ownership of whatever flaws you may have, and it does not appear you're as fragile as your protective friends might've thought. My most significant point really is that you (and me and everyone) be cautious about adopting a personal philosophy that allows for idleness. In truth, such philosophies are nothing more than rationalizations for poor conduct. — Hanover

There you go again. What's wrong with idleness? Who or what get's to decide my poor conduct apart from my manager at work?

You seem to have your super-ego on the fritz here, and the constant need to justify it by criticizing others is well not really fun to listen to.

Is it intended to be a defence of the sort of comments made by Hanover, in that it's supposed to illustrate the merit in being brutally honest? Or was it about me? Are you saying we're fucked, just like the people in the raft? Or... what? I dunno. — Sapientia

I think my point is that we're both the same age, similar problems, and similar interests, with the boat analogy. The hole in the boat are our problems, not identical, but similar. I don't even know the rest. It was meant as a stream of consciousness post.

Make time to get out of your head. — Nils Loc

As a Tractarian I am committed to solipsism. I am helpless, and wallow in my helplessness.

9. The self is not outside the world. (4&7)
10. The self does not belong within the world but is a limit of it, or coincides with
it in its entirety. (4,6 & 9)
‘I am my world.’ (5.63)
‘The subject does not belong to the world: rather, it is a limit of the world.’ (5.632)

I think the sentiment presented in my eyes is to "conform". They really want me to read the forum guidelines.

//ps// your member profile on Physics Forum doesn't give an indication that you're banned. — Wayfarer

Well, I have my name crossed out and I don't think I can post anything to any topic. Sad times.

None whatsoever.

Both.

Some of the comments in this discussion are repugnant. But then you don't seem to care that much about what I have to say, because I'm not one of your favourites. — Sapientia

Well, it's kind of like saying to your friend in the same raft with a hole in it 'We're pretty fucked mate.' To which you reply, 'Yeah no shit!'

You're probably fucked whatever you do, and if not, it's luck not wisdom. — unenlightened

Hahahaha. That's pretty harsh coming from you or wait is it me that's telling myself that I'm fucked. Now you've confused me thoroughly, haha.

I had a temporary ban for saying something to the matter of "If one cannot see the long term benefits of geothermal energy production then one is either ignorant or can't see the woods from the trees." Which they took as a "personal insult".

This was in response to the economics of the matter along with the positive externalities of geothermal energy production, which in this case were presented in the link above. The LCOE of geothermal mining is actually higher due to the possibility of using the heat underground for heating cities along with sewage treatment.

At any rate, your idea of digging deep holes to solve the energy crisis is probably as far fetched as those posters were trying to explain. — Hanover

Not quite. I can refer you to this post that settled the matter.

Whatever happened to geothermal energy production?

I'm a cannibalistic troll if you must know. I only troll trolls.

Well, he didn't say he had a degree. He said he had been to college for a degree. Going and getting are two different things, but I leave the clarification to him. — Hanover

What is this an interrogation? Yes, I have been to college; but dropped out if you must know. I think I've stated that before in my post history, but, don't expect that to contribute to anything to this discussion here. If going to college is such a big issue, then I'll do what's most efficient and go back to complete my degree in behavioral economics. In fact, me dropping out (which was technically a medical leave), is for the best because I was really not putting any effort into my studies despite maintaining a decent GPA (3.6). However, technically a degree even in economics is quite useless nowadays from what I have found out from a friend who graduated from UCB. He applied to some 40-60 places after graduating from such a top tier school and regrets going there due to not being able to find even an entry position.

I appreciate you acting as a father figure over the internet, you Bitter Cranck and Hanover, but I have already chosen to listen to unenlightened who has unfortunately not chimed in; but, I would already know what he would say more or less. To be honest, I would pay some of you guys for the advice and appreciate it greatly. I don't feel offended by some of the more in-your-face comments, and think the accusations thrown against Hanover are overblown. I can't stand whining, and if I came off as such, then all the better that Hanover pointed it out.

Thanks again for the advice you all. I'll go back to reading some more Wittgenstein now on my day off. Already looking for a second job.

BTW, Kubrick actually made someone type all 300 + pages.

It takes real ingenuity — Agustino

Actually, it takes a lot of talking to investors. And let's not kid ourselves, no one person can come up with all the nuances and details of a product on their own. Most, if not all ideas were borrowed from somewhere else (education, human capital, patents, other people more capable?)... Oh, and subsidies definitely help.

The person who founded and started the company - or the persons - they made it work, theirs is the merit, not the CEO's. — Agustino

You know... actually, I have some idea of how starting a company works. It takes talent in recognizing efficient means to achieve a goal, the power of persuasion, and a whole lot of lawyers to protect, promote, and fend of competition. You also need to steal a lot of ideas from competition without them noticing.

Is that really something that we should be idolizing?

I haven't said I rank individuals I meet on that table by virtue of them holding a certain position. I merely stated that most CEOs aren't terribly smart at all. — Agustino

What makes you say they aren't smart? I mean technically, the most psychopathic CEO is usually the most efficient one, does that make him the smartest?

CEOs are typically dumb people — Agustino

Yeah, you need to stop doing that. Ranking people based on your table of who is smart or not. It distorts your view of reality.

Yeah, I actually admire those. — Agustino

Really? What's with the aura around these charlatans? What's so great about Microsoft or Apple? As if the CEO of GE or Lockheed Martin or 3M came up with all their own patents?

It's actually quite dehumanizing to say that certain individuals were only capable of coming up with these great companies. My conservative friend talks about 'degrees' of humans in pseudo-Nazi fashion who accomplish these great feats.

Hah hah! I forgot to laugh. Securing a challenging job - let me tell you, even if someone made me CEO of Microsoft tomorrow I'd refuse.

Unbelievable that there's actually people who have a brain and actually believes there's something admirable about securing a challenging job......... — Agustino

Let's not forget that there are self made people with self made jobs that only they could do. If only Trump had it his way, then and only then would America would have been Great Again.

*cringes uncontrollably*

A couple of points after a good nights rest.

Independence is something idolized here or at least in the west, which I find hilarious. I don't care for it.

Let me illiterature, hehe;

I am happy with my life with mom, we've been through hell and back.
I love my mom.
I love my mom and helping her more than prizing the realization of my dreams.
Me asking about living with my mom was not intended to be understood as something that bothers me; but, rather a question that originated from the demands of society, which I gladly have, will, and continue to shirk away from.

I like my job. (Anyone notice yet the "me myself and I" mindset that I am disregarding?)
I've been to college for a degree in behavioral economics, I know what its like and don't consider what other people here think is "rational" to do as something that they themselves really understand.
It isn't for me, despite appearing brilliant to every professor I have met.
I find the process of learning understanding! as a continual and gradual experience, which this forum provides quite nicely, than one that is amassed and condensed into a spam package to be then regurgitate back.
I have ways to make money; but actually don't care for money apart from the strict necessities in life (I'm a needs, not wants guy).

Actually, if one really wants to make money, one should NOT go into college and then get a degree in anything apart from the medical field or engineering; but, to do that you have to have quite a lot of passion and stamina. I can put forth 1/10'th the effort in selling novel chemicals or products with low capital costs in China with high markups, and low expenses in the US online (not drugs, although that's where the idea originated from), all while making enough money in 1 month as some posters here make in 1 year. Put that away in an index fund, do it for 5 years (usually the amount of time before the FDA comes in and saying something (bla bla bla) and live quite comfortably. Why am I not doing that already and wasting your time here? Well, if it isn't clear I don't care for money, haha.

Lastly, I have a very small ego (unlike, others who felt the need to make this thread about themselves, lol). I don't idolize it. I don't serve to it. I don't cater to it. I don't care about it. It's probably some issue, which is bothering me less and less as I progress through the years. I'm not a very sociable guy as you might guess, due to finding other ego's quite burdensome.

I am an ethical person, and my only desire is to help my mom pay off her bills and mortgage. Despite me not being a self serving prick and at it feeling all great and accomplished, I am happy with my life and only asked for some advice regarding furthering my studies in philosophy and being recognized socially in that through a public institution. Seeing as the process is more trouble than good, I have resigned from it and in that have answered my own question through the kindness of other posters sharing their wisdom. So, yeah, minds can be changed, even on internet forums!

Good day to you all.

The world is everything that is the case.

Andddd, I'll end that there.

I read "self-esteem" to be less about image and more about personal confidence and motivation here, a sort of doing, living or habit. — TheWillowOfDarkness

Yeah, but who's the one telling you you need all this confidence and motivation? The police officer in your head? And for the matter, what the hell is all this obsession with self-esteem/confidence?? Are people like inherently born with inferiority complexes?

Australia sounds like a nice place. Preferably with less assholes, too!

Hmm, maybe Mars is where it's all at...

Maybe Arizona, who knows.

Then, I'll move to some flatter land where there ain't no bridges to cross.

The thing is, living hand to mouth does not seem to be your goal. It's a strategy to maintain the life you have, like and enjoy. And there is nothing wrong with that, in the short run. — Bitter Crank

I'll cross that bridge when the time comes.

My thoughts? Well, education is becoming a luxury in the US. If I really wanted it, I'd move to Europe where I have citizenship and study at some 'Free college of Germany' or whereabouts. But, that boat has sailed and I don't feel like swimming after it.

I should mention, as 'self-esteem' has popped up around a couple of times here and there.

I find self-esteem as a concept projected from society onto the individual. And I don't need to go into detail about my thoughts about what 'society' thinks is best, least we mention that society doesn't exist! Only families do, and self-serving pricks!

Anyway, listen to Hanover or Charles Murray — Emptyheady

Heh, emptyheady, what a nick...

I'd rather try and think for myself, through this rather messy dialectical method despite exposing myself so blandly.

Well, if you haven't said that then that is/was the nail that changed my mind. I find my apathy and "lack of motivation" a more healthy a realistic outlook that the 'arbeit macht frei' one professed here and whereabouts.

Yes, you're right. He should earn minimum wage and let mommy care for him forever. — Hanover

You've got the wrong idea here Mister.

I helped pay the mortgage when I still had my money for college, payed for a new car for my mother (nothing fancy, but a good car nonetheless), bought some appliances, helped with some state programs offering discounts and help with weatherization, etc.

We both live hand to mouth; but, to save you my sob story, I have a very happy life despite the rather spartan conditions. You telling me that my life is pathetic is pathetic. You've done your worst, and despite having a hard day at work, which is rewarding despite you telling me otherwise (oh the hypocrisy!).

Coddling them would be a recipe for disaster. — Hanover

Yeah, it all in your head.

Thanks for the input Terrapin. I really think you hit the nail on the head with how I framed the question.

Working at a nursery for minimum wage while supported by mom isn't ideal. It's pathetic. — Hanover

Actually, its a very rewarding job! And, I don't come home stressed and angry about dealing with assholes and the such. Living with mother isn't bad, I enjoy it. It was hard when I was younger and enamored with doing a whole wide range of things and such as moving to a different country and bla bla bla.

But, you know, living in a retirement home might be what awaits you given that you're so against being dependent on someone or something.

A couple of points.

I recognize desires as per the Buddhists as the source of suffering. This is a synthetic a priori truth that all sentient beings ought realize.

Living with mom isn't a bad thing and never was. Society imposed some fictitious rule on people that "man" ought move ought from "mother". I suspect this has to do with capitalism, individualism, and consumerism, along with a plethora of unrestricted wants and desires from the daughter or son spewing out.

I am not needy for anyone. I just appreciate the advice and thoughts of this community.

I do not see myself ever having a wife, although the thoughts do return and bother me on the subject. Still thinking if I can have a wife with my current lifestyle or even if I realize the dreams in the OP.

Life is about getting through it. Schopenhauer can expand on that for you.