In fact, let's grant to Rosenberg his great insight, and say that "there's nothing but bosons and fermions", or whatever. That literally makes no sense, because, I'm speaking to you and we understand each other, more or less. If it were only bosons and fermions that really existed, we wouldn't be able to talk at all, much less make sense of anything. — Manuel
We don't really know what any word means, — Manuel
Obviously some of these attitudes were social norms of the times, but it begs the question, why, with their powerful intellect, could they not discern the wrong and if they did why go along with it? They don’t appear to have applied their thinking and discrimination to themselves. — Brett
Which makes me wonder if it’s possible that philosophy has nothing to do with life or how ones mind operates. Like I said, it’s as if philosophy is attached to the mind inorganically, that it’s completely alien to what we are. — Brett
But when people are so attached to their opinions, having those opinions challenged becomes a loss of identity. — Garth
It's not that a physical person employed would have to follow the stuff, so the cost isn't so high. — ssu
You know, forums have a serious brand problem with many people. This is a big challenge and I don't have a super clever solution to it. — Hippyhead
Trumpers couldn't even revolutionise their revolution. I doubt technological innovation is their forte. — Baden
Or at least you get the government search engines to note that the user "Brett" on the site "Philosophy Forums" says "he supports terrorism" and that is then put to a huge database to be used possibly in the future. — ssu
The matter boils down to two options that are laid out before us:
1. Accept that the universe has no cause (it arose by chance)
or
2. Accept that the universe has a cause (Call this 'i]first cause[/i] God or whatever you like) — TheMadFool
This is presumably only going to get worse as AI and automation can take over more and more roles in society, which was still a way people could feel part of that bigger whole and derive some meaning (although that certainly has it's problems too, I won't deny). — ChatteringMonkey
And how we will use it, will depend on the state our civil societies will be in... which, you know, doesn't look to good at this particular moment :-). — ChatteringMonkey
Any unambiguous good would do. It’s quite hard to come by. — Wayfarer
Yes I think you, and I am too for that matter, are viewing it from a humanist perspective, which has grown out of the western judeo-christian tradition. — ChatteringMonkey
I would argue that any existence that is not a perfectly ideal world (for that individual being born) is probably a decision one person shouldn't make on another's behalf. — schopenhauer1
Humans use linguistic-conceptual frameworks and socio-cultural enculturation to be able to function in the world. So this is just a truism of how we operate, not a declaration of how humility is some sort of arbitrary concept. — schopenhauer1
If they know what they are doing, it's a red herring. — schopenhauer1
I think the meaning people generally seek, is feeling part of some greater (cosmic) plan. If God created the universe, then you have such a plan because presumably he created it with a purpose. — ChatteringMonkey
The problem, in relation to believing in a god anyway, in our current age is our commitment to empirical truth and scientific advancement. So I think it has more to do with the general cultural climate, than what a particular God looks like... but being all powerful, all knowing and infinitely good probably helps, yes. — ChatteringMonkey
Since a simulation is in fact created by purposeful beings, you wouldn't have that problem. — ChatteringMonkey
Beavers are not pretentious. They have accepted that they are fundamentally cool and so are comfortable remaining at that level, therefore, as they have found true balance in themselves, feel no urge to seek a radically different world.
We could do worse than to aspire to the Zen state of the beaver. — Book273
Does all life consciousness seek meaning? Is the thirst for meaning an inevitable consequence of consciousness, the kind we're familiar with? An open question. — TheMadFool
It springs from the widespread acceptance that life is a fluke and we're products of an accident. Death of God, and all. — Wayfarer
If it's not possible to program meaning into the simulation under any scenario, then how is meaning created in our 'real' world (assuming there is)? — Wheatley
What I wish to argue is that the inner world is the most central aspect of life, for experiencing and discovering reality. Therefore, it is the most important area to understand and develop, especially in this time, in which for many of us, is one of social distancing. Isolation can be hard but perhaps it is a chance to know oneself. — Jack Cummins
Erudite and scientifically informed but shallow, in my opinion. — Wayfarer
Isn't that the 'creative destruction of capitalism?' Constantly reinventing itself, always rushing towards the new, the new tomorrow, the new product, the new idea. John Coltrane, jazz saxophinist, was tormented by having to reinvent music all the time, jazz became cliched - as soon as it was recorded it was no longer sufficiently new. — Wayfarer
They weren't simply dream states or hallucinations, he actually vogaged to these realms through dreams. I think any kind of mystical transport will be like that. It will be an awareness of entire domain or realm of being which all us mortals, the hoi polloi, would never be aware of. Not anywhere spatio-temporal but on a different plane altogether. Those who visit come back speaking of visions, and we think they're seeing things or making it up.
Actually the final myth of secularism is space travel, really. The conquest of the stars. I'm sure it's the sublimated longing for heaven or 'the life eternal' in material form. — Wayfarer
2) freedom of conscience for all individuals, circumscribed only by the need for public order and the respect of the rights of other individuals;
What secular reason is missing is self-awareness. It is “unenlightened about itself” in the sense that it has within itself no mechanism for questioning the products and conclusions of its formal, procedural entailments and experiments. — Stanley Fish
Another aspect of the secular state is that it is concerned with providing the economic and physical infrastructure within which citizens are free to practice any religion or none. — Wayfarer