• Abortion - Why are people pro life?
    We have a right, they aren't human...frank

    Ironically, you're comparing slaves (and centuries of suffering) to tiny bits of flesh that lack consciousness.
  • Art Lies Beyond Morality
    Love in theory is moral guidance on paper.ucarr

    Moral guidance on paper is merely a fictional story designed to align the wills of those charmed by it.
  • Abortion - Why are people pro life?
    If you want abortion to be legal, you'll have to get yourself some power. Logical arguments have zero to do with it.frank

    Norma McCorvey was a working-class woman and did not have significant financial resources.
  • How is a raven like a writing desk?
    It is the lunatic raven man that turns the charming bird meeting of a "murder" and a "conspiracy" into real murder and conspiracy (sometimes at a desk).Nils Loc

    I learned that a gathering of ravens is called an 'unkindness', due to the 19th century misconception that they're bad parents. Turns out they're great parents.

    • If it is cold the parents fly miles to find flocks of sheep. They collect wool and take it to the nests. They cover the nests with the wool and in this way it is as if they were making a warm sweater for the little ones.
    • On very hot days they fly to water sources. They carry water in their huge beaks to provide water for their offspring.
    • If it is even hotter, they wet their feathers and lower the temperature of the young by giving them a bath. Understand that it is not easy to fly with wet feathers. But devotion for their offspring leads them to perform risky acts.

    I'm not a believer in evil, truth be told.
  • Art Lies Beyond Morality


    No, no, and no (in that I haven’t acted in order to better the world).

    Still missing the point.
  • Kant and Covert Assault Zen
    What is the sound of one hand jerking?
  • Art Lies Beyond Morality
    Is there a parallel in science with Bohr's Copenhagen Interpretation vís-a-vís Einstein's Denounciation?ucarr

    Sure, but I still don’t see war.
  • Art Lies Beyond Morality
    Would you choose moral restraints upon the dynamic leader of the people over unrestrained vitality as their motive force?ucarr

    Frankly I’m amazed at how lacking our leaders are in both moral character and ‘unrestrained vitality’. I like to think that if one emerged glistening with both they would be unstoppable.
  • Abortion - Why are people pro life?
    There is a living human being that is created upon conception; so that is where it begins as a living being. After birth is not at all when it becomes a human being: that makes no sense.Bob Ross

    To me it seems like an arbitrary starting point. Like sperm and egg magically become a living being the instant they meet. Not a fraction of a second before they meet. Sort of like claiming that a cake becomes a cake the exact instant its ingredients first come into contact.

    I think you need to include the concept of an immortal soul for the conception thing to work.
  • Art Lies Beyond Morality
    That's a tempting thing to say, but if you've ever been delivered from your limitations into a situation you could never earn you way into, it's more fitting to feel gratitude towards a higher power.ucarr

    So far it seems that the only thing you have to be grateful for is the direction to fear. I for one would not be grateful for that. Perhaps you’ve received more than the advice to fear a higher power?

    Yes.ucarr

    You think it sinful to see beauty in ugliness?
  • Art Lies Beyond Morality
    While the human individual lives s/he struggles with what is best to do going forward. Having a higher power to take direction from provides comfort.ucarr

    Oh, what direction has a higher power given you?

    Is God a sub-division of human psychology?ucarr

    God is pretty much whatever someone needs to dream up, I think.

    Ugliness is quite rare and instructive -- it makes us rethink what constitutes good (The Elephant Man) -- so a deformed higher-power might possess ugliness as one of its infrequent aspects that only the stalwart person can bear to witness.ucarr

    We see beauty in ugliness through aesthetic experience (art).
  • Art Lies Beyond Morality
    There’s an endless war between art and morality.ucarr

    Is this an anfractuous way to say that God is ugly?
  • Abortion - Why are people pro life?
    separate living beings of which one is dependent on the other.Bob Ross

    Again this is more true after birth than before, so birth should be identified as the starting point, if the starting point is based on individuality.
  • Abortion - Why are people pro life?
    ??? . I can't tell if you are joking.Bob Ross

    If the criteria for identifying a starting point is individuality (you say “an individual human being”) then the more correct point would be birth because until then the mother and child are inextricably fused together.
  • AI and pictures
    No Hitler's paintings but Hokusai's!javi2541997

    I don't know, kinda weird and dark, lol.

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    Loved that book, btw.
  • AI and pictures


    I added "cozy modern" to the prompt.

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    I wouldn't mind working there. With any luck the interior isn't decorated with Hitler paintings.
  • AI and pictures
    Using the same prompt, the AI that I use also produced too many floors to the building. I then revised the prompt to use the number “3” instead of the word “three” and it worked.

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  • Site Rules Amendment Regarding ChatGPT and Sourcing


    It sounds like something might have struck a nerve. Want to talk about what's going on?
  • Site Rules Amendment Regarding ChatGPT and Sourcing
    Don't just put what someone says on the forum into it and get it to write your response.fdrake

    I understand what you mean. It's important to engage thoughtfully and considerately, especially when responding to others online. Taking the time to craft responses that reflect understanding and respect for others' viewpoints is key to meaningful conversations.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    millions of other things he saysNOS4A2

    The millions of things are really a few things stuck on repeat. Never things describing a healthcare plan, for instance, or how he would end wars across the globe within 24 hours of assuming office, or how he would use the military to deport 11 million immigrants (including the legal cat munchers).
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    I did not find him crazy.L'éléphant

    Eating dogs and cats, and after birth abortion isn’t cray cray where you’re from?
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    The level of dishonesty with you is off the charts.Tzeentch

    Uh, what??? You just lied about what Mearsheimer said. Nowhere does he say that he believes Trump is running against the deep state. If you mean running as a candidate who promises to push back on the establishment then sure. That promise may have helped him get elected in 2016. Did he fail while in office or did he not actually try?
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)


    Why would I care if you’re a Trump lover, you can’t vote for him?

    You forgot to include the part where Measheimer says “I bet against Trump” pushing back on the deep state.

    You must understand that Trump makes all sorts of promises that he has no intention of fulfilling. If the establishment is all about pursuing regional hegemony why would Trump be opposed to that pursuit? We know that if there’s one thing he values it is power.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)


    We're not talking past each other, it just seems that for whatever reason you're refusing to argue how Trump is anti-establishment. Measheimer doesn't see him as anti-establishment.

    Oh wait, did Trump say that he's anti-establishment and you believe him?
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)


    Oil tycoons, corporations, and interest groups finance Trumps political campaign and lobby for policies favorable to their interests. We’ve just established that there’s influential US media that favors Trump. Trump has been involved in politics for at least 25 years, having first run for office in 2000. He was president for four years. How is he not part of the establishment? What did he do during his term in office that disrupted the establishment?
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)


    How about an argument that right-wing news isn’t controlled by the establishment.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)


    You forgot to explain how there can be US news which flatters Trump if the establishment controls US News and hates him.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)


    I don’t get it. If the US establishment hates Trump and they control the media then wouldn’t all US news be fake news (news unflattering to Trump)?
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)


    Huh? Two thirds of Republicans in Washington support the “big lie,” and pretty much the rest kowtow to his every whim.

    Isn’t everyone supposed to hate Kamala, btw?
  • US Election 2024 (All general discussion)
    There is a bigger probability to read something negative about Trump on conservative media, than reading something negative about Kamala on liberal media.Eros1982

    Could you provide a link or two to negative stories about Trump on conservative media?
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    The idea that enemies of the establishment coincidentally happen to befall bad fates is just about as naive as one can get.Tzeentch

    This may be a silly question but why is Trump the enemy of the establishment?
  • US Election 2024 (All general discussion)
    the point is making people to work more.Eros1982

    Yeah, eight hours a day isn’t enough. Make America healthy again!
  • US Election 2024 (All general discussion)


    It’s obviously an act of desperation. Next week he’ll be promising to eliminate taxes altogether.
  • US Election 2024 (All general discussion)


    If democrats had majority control of congress Trump could pass legislation supporting workers.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)


    It is remarkable that the conservative landscape in America is so bereft of meaning that someone like Trump could be a modern day Mr. Bumble.