Hmm. While I do not think Kirk ever did this - yes, that's right. So does Kamala, Seder, Maddow, Tiedrich, Reich etc.. etc.. — AmadeusD

make a claim in my DMs — AmadeusD

People are really stupid and (as it seems you are quite disposed to do) actually look for things to get upset about... — AmadeusD

A bigot like Kirk didn’t merely think trans are wrong or misguided as you mistakenly suggest; he consider them abominations. It's not just 'you are wrong,' but 'you should not exist.'
— praxis

You genuinely seem unable to stick to reality. So I shall pass on further engagement here. — AmadeusD

I'm glad you are enjoying it. When you finish shoot me an , I'd love to get your impressions. There's a lot to it. — Manuel

This is the disconnect. That I find it strange you are unable to see. — Outlander

You cannot present anything that could support your position.

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I mainly watched his clips to find ways to understand how the in fuck people found it worthy their time to be so dishonest, hateful and frankly stupid as to call him things like ;'bigot', 'Nazi' etc... — AmadeusD

It was actually Nietzsche who argued this in "Geaneology of Morality", that "the good people"[virtuous] are just the powerful weak-willed masters/slaves imposing what is "good" on the basis of what is good for them. — ProtagoranSocratist

That is hateful, given it's not true. But that's...yknow. Your opinion man. — AmadeusD

My take on this---which I think is fairly consistent with Jamal as we've just had an exchange in the mod forum---is, as I said there:

"We allow proofreading in the guidelines. But we also more or less say if the proofreading moves too far into editing and then rewriting and therefore makes your text look AI generated, that's a risk you run. I would agree it's similar to grammarly in a way, but AI can sometimes take it too far. So, yes, it's not against the rules in itself, but I don't know why people can't just live with a bit of clunky writing. It will save us wondering about whether or not its AI gen'd and maintain their quirky indviduality." — Baden

I don't believe that one can make such a 'hard distinction' between scientific truths and moral truths. — boundless

Clear to whom? A great many philosophers reject the fact/values distinction. — Count Timothy von Icarus

There was a time when most people believed that the Earth was the center of the universe and all celestial bodies revolved around the Earth. Yet we know that geocentrism is 'objectively false'. So, it would be not surprising that we might in a condition that we do not know what is truly good for us and nevertheless, in principle, we could know it. — boundless

In a 'virtue ethics' framework what is sought is what is truly good for a human being and the reasonable assumption that is made is that a human being might misunderstand 'what is truly good for him or her'. — boundless

Relative to the perspective of the individual.
— praxis

So when a child feeds their cat antifreeze because it looks like a fun drink. Cats love antifreeze too. Is it thus truly good for the cat to drink antifreeze because all the individuals in question think it is so? — Count Timothy von Icarus

The tiger enjoys a satisfying monkey hunt and meal—which is good.
— praxis

This is simply changing the subject to what is good for the tiger. Again, is it false that is "bad for the monkey to be eaten?" — Count Timothy von Icarus

Relative in what sense? — Count Timothy von Icarus

What exactly is: "All else equal, it is bad for a monkey to be eaten," relative to? Certainly not the tiger. To the extent that the tiger has beliefs, I don't imagine it thinks what it is doing is good for the monkey either. — Count Timothy von Icarus

Or for: "having access to proper water and sunlight are good for my plant," if this is relative, in what context is it false? — Count Timothy von Icarus

My personal orientation to good and bad is that it's subjective 100% of the time: when the tiger eats the monkey, it's good for the tiger, bad for the monkey. The tiger gets nourishment, the monkey feels unpleasant and dies. The tiger can't be "morally wrong" because it can't question its behavior. However, this subjectivity gets extremely complex when you have humans who believe in free will and compatibilism.
— ProtagoranSocratist

Right, but is it not a fact that "being eaten by a tiger is bad for monkeys?" It seems to me that this is obvious. What monkeys are tells us at least something of what is good for them.

Likewise, is it not a fact that it is—at least all else equal—better for human to be strong rather than weak, agile instead of clumsy, intelligent instead of dim witted, courageous instead of cowardly, knowledgeable rather than ignorant, prudent instead of rash, possessing fortitude instead of being weak of will, healthy instead of sick, etc.? — Count Timothy von Icarus

Let's say I'm doing a "solo non-assist run" as far as the life I live goes. :grin: — Outlander

I am not going to outline all the possible dangers of AI—people can educate themselves about that by undertaking a search in whatever search engine they use or YouTube or whatever. — Janus

You might as well, it doesnt look like your going to make any headway with Praxis. — DingoJones

You've called him [Charlie Kirk] a bigoted grifter — AmadeusD

You are all over the place and don’t explain yourself very carefully. Your judgment of what I am trying to say keeps coming out of nowhere to me. — Fire Ologist

There still seems to be no reason for you to avoid agreeing with the basic fact that trans and feminist ideology are both aligned, and in conflict. — Fire Ologist

I agree that some trans activists, such as Judith Butler, refuse to compromise with the proposals put forward by material feminists like Stock.

I say there are many other examples within wokeness of these irreconcilable identities. — Fire Ologist

And if you admit this problem is there for trans and feminists, then we might be making some sort of connection. But you don’t want to build any bridge. — Fire Ologist

The notion of allyship, offered to address this problem (which you now seem to recognize is still a problem), is one way to go. — Fire Ologist

Biological essentialism cannot be integrated into woke ideology. Feminists think there is something specific and persistent about the biological female that relates to the category of woman. Trans can’t think that. So the two identity types cannot agree on what gender must involve and what gender need not involve. — Fire Ologist

But my point in raising this is that woke ideology affords no means to satisfy what feminists call unjust oppression while at the same time satisfying what trans call unjust oppression. — Fire Ologist

My point is, it is the nature of woke to be unable to develop a coherent and just resolution of the conflict between internally warring identity groups. (Just like it is unable to fathom the concept of a white male employed middle class person being victim of a racist black woman.) — Fire Ologist

“Systemic Power Analysis”, “Identity as Moral and Epistemic Category” and “Language Shapes Reality” - these properties or aspects of woke breed the type of conflict that woke cannot resolve between its own identity groups. — Fire Ologist

So it seems to me here that, if you wanted to be open and honest, the quote just above means that, to some degree, you see what I am saying, or at least agree with it’s factual basis. You agree that there is no allyship of Trans people with anyone who doesn’t agree with what they say, (like traditional feminists don’t agree). — Fire Ologist

This is supported by nothing and could only make sense to someone who has only engaged with Charlie through a lens of left-wing, hateful rhetoric. — AmadeusD

Yeah, but you said you addressed it.

And it took you 30 pages to define your thoughts on woke. (I think they are your thoughts.). — Fire Ologist

That defines the problem. That doesn’t address anything. — Fire Ologist

Wokeness eats the woke, and has no principle upon which to adjudicate between disputing wokeists. — Fire Ologist

Keep insulting me too. It makes me look good. So thanks. — Fire Ologist

The democrat candidate for governor in Virginia tells everyone to “let your rage fuel you”.
— praxis

Looks like a good statement for those willing to defend the will of God. Hitler and Trump built their campaigns on people's fears and anger. It is psychological warfare before action is taken. — Athena

Why do we need to change the topic? How are you going to make any significant point about woke and how does it refute what I said about woke being contradictory for you to ask the above?? — Fire Ologist

I’ve given 10 times more analysis to chew on here than you have. WTF is this insult for? — Fire Ologist

No need to think critically is one of the tenets of wokism. — Fire Ologist

• Social Justice as Central Moral Priority
• Systemic Power Analysis
• Identity as Moral and Epistemic Category
• Language Shapes Reality
• Moral Urgency and Activism
• Intersectionality
• Historical Accountability