Yeah, why not? what are the consequences of just making stuff up as you go along.

Read my profile if you like. Click on my name if you like. No wrong answer from me.

just speculation. Science can't answer all of our questions with our current understanding of scientific evidence. At any given point in time we have make decisions on the information that we have at that point in time. Proverbs chapter 1 from the jewish bible or christian bible says a wise man seeks after knowledge. I wish you the best.

One thing that people forget is that the brain operates on particles small than the electron. (Quantum particles). Evolutionary process was not limited to the technologies of the 1800s.

Yeah i would say the book "Sapiens" by Noah Harrari attests to this and various other books on evolution.

i don't feel this basic proposition contradicts my chosen religion/philosophy/belief system.

I would argue consciousness is the product of a central all spanning consciousness. Each person and animal is a subset (keyword subset) of the central organism. Just as we are complex thinkers with many brain cells the central organism is also extremely complex. This is a common notion in new age religions as well as some eastern religions.

sounds interesting. I won't ask further because you still haven't published the book.

thanks. I took it from a youtube video for the most part.

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"a book on the ground and essnce of being and Being, "

essence of being and being? I've never heard that phrase before. I don't expect you to go into great detail so that you can protect your book idea but i'm guessing the book deals with consciessness?

Thats interesting. Where did you get that from? As in I assume thats some form of New Age belief?

yeah, i would have to agree with some of this. I do count myself as a trinitarian but when some Christians try to act like its hard to grasp i definitely scratch my head. The way i explain it to my self is. The Holy spirit travels between multiple geometric dimensions. Jesus Christ stays in the 3rd and 4th dimension and God the father resides in the 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th, and 10th dimension. I really don't reject any of the beliefs by the Roman Catholic church on Trinitarianism. I would imagine alot of Roman Catholics Right Wrong or indifferent decide not to get into geometry or advanced geometry when discussing the Trinity.

I hope i didn't offend anyone with this but this was the forum topic.

thats fair.

Some quotes from the book. I'll post more later. As far as people wanting to be happy, my logic circuits tell me that everybody wants to be happy and i'm sure most (keyword most) people would agree thats logical. Maybe most people like me are complete morons.

“You could never convince a monkey to give you a banana by promising him limitless bananas after death in monkey heaven.”
― Yuval Noah Harari, Sapiens: A Brief History of Humankind
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“How do you cause people to believe in an imagined order such as Christianity, democracy or capitalism? First, you never admit that the order is imagined.”
― Yuval Noah Harari, Sapiens: A Brief History of Humankind
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“Culture tends to argue that it forbids only that which is unnatural. But from a biological perspective, nothing is unnatural. Whatever is possible is by definition also natural. A truly unnatural behaviour, one that goes against the laws of nature, simply cannot exist, so it would need no prohibition.”

thats fair. I'll post quotes in a couple days or i'll quote from one of his youtube videos so i can pull the information right off the internet.

I doubt your paraphrasing of the book, but I haven't read that far. — S

its not uncommon on a online forum for people to dislike each others opinions. Thanks for sharing.
He even says alot of this stuff in his videos on youtube.

A side note: I personally don't believe in the multiverse theory. I believe that the universe naturally fine tunes itself into a stable condition, and stable conditions (big surprise) happen to support life. (But hey, what do I know.) — Purple Pond

In the book "a brief history of time" Stephen Hawking attests to this. If you roll a billion sided piece of dice one billion times there is a very high chance you'll roll a specific number. When you factor in that the universe we currently experience is possibly the umpteenth (1st or 1000th iteration) version of a universe that has simliarities but might not be exactly the same as previous versions, there is a chance sustainable life may be a product of chance. I do believe in a God but that could be a product of the dna i got by chance and not the product of rationality.

Through statistics you could do this but it would be alot of effort. My father used to assign a point system to his favorite wars (the two opposing sides). The more intricate and elaborate the research the closer the point system is to the truth. Computer software uses AI in this way. Much of AI is built using data mining techniques. Many online forums are used for data mining especially facebook. How does that relate to the OP is that if you put enough effort into any given subject you can approach a problem with a scientific backing.

I don't remember that but i would agree that genocide is something very often practiced by humans. However the biggest difference between human dna and a Neanderthal is phenotype. Phenotype is less than 1% of the human dna. Apes and humans have 95% or higher similarity in dna. My own opinion is that Neanderthals were never really a separate species and that they really were arbituarly classified that way.

Richard Dawkins said this in his book called "the greatest show on earth". I used to have a copy of it on Nook but my Nook account is hard to access due to Barnes and Noble having issues. As far as quotes from "Sapiens" i can certainly make quotes from that book.

According to some scientists such as Richard Dawkins we are a continuation of former species in some sense not necessarily ancestors of current species. The current ape is different from the ape from a million years ago according to Richard Dawkins. If i died today what exactly would the consequences be if i didn't spread my dna? Living well is for those who want to live. If my children want to live, i want them to live but my ultimate destiny is not necessarily up to me. If i die then i might just stay dead.

As far as Neanderthals are concerned many groups of people across the world (i have Black people in my family who have Neanderthal dna) especially Europeans have Neanderthal dna. Neanderthals never died out they just combined into other Cro Magnons or modern humans. If you would like i could find several articles that attest to this.

thats fair. If you have a belief system you would like to post then do it. He states that we need a fiction because he states in the book that all that really is important is human happiness. He states this all through out the book. Is there anything offensive in this statement. Human happiness is a basic idea.

This is not limited to a religion. You are more than welcome to post a belief system. Harrari actually practices a form of yoga as his belief system. Many naturalists recognize that the human body is condusive to forming a naturalist form of spirituality (work with me here).

Isn't Peugot a type of car or company? He said Peugot was what you call a legal fiction. Religion doesn't have to be bad if it follows certain premises is what the book argues. On a personal level i see money as somewhat of a religion and the book acknowledges that to some extent.

please write what you want. I'm open to anything. It fits my belief system that the world should end someday and my life sucks so the sooner there is a world wide religion the sooner people like me move on to either death or i get abducted by an alien and get "probed".

i agree i should have read it to begin with.

I see what your saying about presumed possibility. If i point my finger at myself then i would be a fool to say i'm not pointing my finger at myself. I'm sorry about that.

"3. You confuse mathematics and logic. "

There is a close link between logic and discrete mathematics and boolean algebra.

As for the rest i guess i need to go back through and see what was said.

I have no interest in your senseless repetitions. If I were a moderator I would have been taking action against them long ago. — S

All Frank Apisa said was that there are basically mathematical principles that no one can argue with.

If i say truth is not equal to A (hypothetical situation) then it would follow from the information given that any other variable other than A is a possibility.

"if something is not impossible then there is a chance it can happen even if it is unlikely.

This is basic math.

I find it quite easy to imagine consciousness to be separate from the body based on preexistent phenomena.

For example it could be like CD which you can slot into different computers. Your mind could inhabit different bodies.

It could be like a radio receiving a signal.

It could be like the telephone or internet where you can communicate with someone but they are not actually in the device.

I think the link between mind and body does not entail complete dependence. — Andrew4Handel

I find this interesting. Obviously the bacteria and the finger nails and the electrons in my body are not what makes me conscious but are similar to the internet i use on a daily basis in that they have continual contact with my body. Other than my central nervous system, what is it that makes me or you conscious beings. If i wasn't a christian i would probably believe each person was a subset of a giant universe wide conscious and each person makes decisions based on the subset that they are given.

thats fine for now.

Yeah Bitter Crank really did add something to the conversation. (no sarcasm)

People with money are more likely to have family members who become lawyers and politicians. People who can write laws a certain way (detailed a certain way) can have alot of power in how the economics of a particular society play out. I do think there are practical laws at the state level that could greatly help the poor without raising taxes. I know a guy who has a software based assisted bartering website idea. If it worked it could reduce (keyword reduce) the reliance on money. Many businesses already use some forms of bartering.

thats a better idea of how things should work than most.

Ask one of the other kids on the playground! They'll tell you., — Frank Apisa

Lol, so far thats pretty much what this forum is typically. I'm no different. I do agree either the OP or someone else needs to sit down and flesh out the statistical analysis of life after death. To say its impossible to gain knowledge of life after death is clearly outside of your current expertise.

The guess itself could as easily and logically be based on a coin toss...as on any of the bullshit that has been offered here so far.

The probability estimates being offered are a joke...and anyone giving them any consideration above being a joke...is a joke also. — Frank Apisa

Stop whining you troll. If 100 people came back from the dead somehow and said they saw xyz while they were in this other state, that would certainly add information to the whole issue. Anytime you add information to a particular topic that also adds the ability to apply statitistical analysis to that particular topic. Your a joke. Stop trolling.

I already told you. Im not interested in that right now. Im trying to find out why you think everyone disagrees with you, and rejects what you are saying as nonsense.
Are you willing to commit, barring someones declaration of strong atheism, that your position is that ALL the people saying the exact same thing about your “probability” basis and its lack of validity lack the comprehension to grasp your argument? — DingoJones

I don't necessarily think you can't put a probability on the things he came up with. Its just i'm not sure enough steps (correct procedure) were taken in the algorithm to come up with a better statistical probability for those event to occur. In some cases probability is more easily calculated and in other cases it takes a tremendous more amount of care and attention to come up with a better probability of something occuring.

I'm just going by what i read in "a brief history of time" by Stephen Hawking and tests done in the past 30 years.

i agree. I have my own theories but they are probably just folk explanations.

WhatThe space traveller and his space ship would also be flattened like a pancake and the ship would have acquired nearly infinite mass. — MrCypress
Is this an anomaly though? Surely it would be a conformation that the laws of physics are holding up. I'm not sure anyone is saying that moving at near light speeds won't be calamitous to life are they? — Kippo

When flying P3s for several days and having digital and non digital clocks on board. The clocks on the P-3 showed a significant or verifiable slower time than clocks on the earth's surface. Check out "A brief history of time" by Stephen Hawking, if you like.

prior to that post I didn't see the origin or any word Epicurus but i'm not going to argue about that at this point.

Free will was invented as a means to exonerate the God of Abraham from the existence of evil. — creativesoul

What about all the non Abrahamic religions? I feel this is getting off topic.