Wouldn't it be more appealing to know who the ghostwriter is who received @Dan's 5% fee? :smirk:

I have been watching Coronation Street for the last couple of days. It inspired me to write the small play that I posted in The Shoutbox.

I think I always watched soap operas without realising they were soap operas. Since the plot is not very deep and the characters simply represent ordinary families facing platitudes, I mostly hooked on to this famous British TV show because the accents of the actors are unique. I thought it was recorded in London, but it turned out to be in Manchester, which means that they are Mancs as the English say.

Who knows if the ITV franchisee will like to hire me as a screenwriter in the future?

You see the sun rise in the morning, and impose an idea that time has passed. Nothing has passed. It was the earth which rotated itself by 1 turn since yesterday morning. — Corvus

Well, I think something has happened. The sunrise is like an alarm, and it tells me that the day just started and I have a lot of things to do: take a shower, have breakfast, go to work, pay things, take care of my relatives, and a lot of things that I can't experience when I am in the night. When night comes, I feel the day is ended, and I have to wait until tomorrow to do new or the same trifling things. Therefore, yes since the sun rises there are a lot of things that happened.

Dogs don't care about time or numbers. Maybe they would do, if they had the concept of time and numbers. — Corvus

True, good point. But the fact that dogs don't have the concept of time doesn't mean it doesn't exist. We can flip it and see the coin of the reverse side: dogs bark yet we don't understand bark language. Does the message in the dog's bark exist even though we can't understand it?

Time doesn't exist. — Corvus

And yet you posted that 19 hrs ago. — Banno

And yet Banno posted that 40 minutes ago.

And yet there will be more replies to this thread after mine in the next minutes or hours, making the thread longer. Therefore, time affects space.

Etc...

I agree that a celebration is in order. — Jamal

¡Viva! :party: :party: :grin:

All of us meet in Times Square in New York City. We can borrow that ball they use at New Years. — T Clark

Great! New York City is a lovely city. :smile:

Depose the moderators and watch the forum quickly descend into chaos. — T Clark

The Shoutbox is already chaotic. We can go there just in case we don't depose the mods!

Nothing. — T Clark

Oh, nada. My favourite.

Double Jamal's salary. — T Clark

I agree. Jamal deserves it; either with British pounds or Russian rubles.

Put Hanover on double-secret probation. — T Clark

I don't know what double-secret probation is but I think @Hanover will be one of the special guests in the 10th anniversary ceremony.

I agree, and I understand that time, as an entity, is complex to understand. Why does this happen? Why does something intangible, such as time, exist?

Well, we give relevance to something that, although it is not purely perceived by our senses, enters into our understanding of the world. I bet my dog is not aware of time, but I do, and when my dog was just months old, I called her a "puppy," but now that she is 6 years old, I consider her nearly "senior," yet she doesn't care about these facts.

On the other hand, I believe that most of us got used to living with 'illusions' or abstract features. Dreams, hallucinations, nightmares, etc. When we were kids, our parents used to say, Don't worry, they are just dreams. Like if a dream is not existing, while I disagree obviously.

Another point: time zone is very important, and its existence affects our online communication. We have to wait until our friends from America or Australia wake up to see your thread, and this is due to the solar system.

We say those things exist because they benefit us in different ways. What would be the point of getting rid of time? Space and objects are affected by the flow of time, for instance.

Years, months, days, hours, minutes and seconds are just the social contracts on the intervals of rise and setting Sun on our horizon. Without the solar system operation i.e. the Earth rotating around the Sun in a regular manner, which the current calendar system is based on, there wouldn't be such a thing as a timing system as we know it. — Corvus

Well, think of the positive benefits of the time system. Everything would be a mess otherwise. Furthermore, thanks to the time system, your thread is at the top of the first page. If you think it is actually pointless, we can ask to put it on page 26 and consider your recent thread as if it were an old one.

Does magenta colour exist? Yet you need it to print things that exist.

Do "stop" signals exist, or is it just a code of conduct? Yet you need it to put order in trafficking.

Do civil laws exist? Yet you need them to put order in marriages or wills, for instance.

Etc.

this comment is attempting to suggest silence may be more than not sound. — kazan

Silence is a sound. It is proven that it is perceived by our senses.

A group of interdisciplinary researchers at Johns Hopkins University set up an experiment that shows that, indeed, our brain actively perceives silence in the same way it hears sound:

Honestly, I thought Australian politics had a different distinct perspective on China, but...

Australia bans DeepSeek from government devices citing national security.

Why doesn't any government trust Chinese AI? :chin:

What date in October? I'll put in my diary. — Amity

I could be mistaken because my guesses are based on pure investigation. I think it is on October 20th. Jamal started a thread about testing the site on that date. If not, I believe it is closer to the end of October.

Erm...I celebrate each and every day. With a big YAY! — Amity

I really like your attitude towards life, Amity. Always seeing the positive part! :sparkle:

I thought what @DreamCatcher wrote was a poem. A weird chivalrous poem, but still an interesting post. It would be nice if he logged in again and told more about what he had in his head when he wrote it.

What Is - by EricH

Truth is the sky is blue
Truth is my love for you
Truth is not a miss
Truth is what simply is.

Not a particularly good poem - pretty pathetic actually. — EricH

Pathetic your poem? No way. It is actually good if we interpret truth through a poetic context. I see the point you raised there; philosophy is very important, but we can gaze at the world with different perspectives. I know I could look a bit intrusive here, but since you felt you did something flat in your poem, I just wanted to let you know that you showed creative and artistic vibes in your post. Don't ever say again your poems are pathetic! :up:

Boyhood Island. My Struggle 3, by Karl Ove Knausgård.

I started to read Knausgård's series two months ago; I remember and me sharing a common thought on the deep narrative of his novels. These are not easy to read because they are laden with much pain and drama, but I started to get engaged with this Norwegian author for a lot of reasons.

Since Knausgård himself said that we are free in order to read his series, I decided to skip the second part (it is about divorce and love failures and I am not ready to jump on it yet), and then start reading the third part. It is about when the author was just eight years old in his mother's family home, in a random small Norwegian fjord.
Memories, nostalgia, unanswered questions, childhood friends, etc.

I remember missing more presence by the mother in the first part, and I guess this third part will lead to what I was looking for a few months ago.

Back to my hobby of watching black and white films.

I was busy the past weekends, but I was free this Saturday. I chose 'How Green Was My Valley' this time. The reviews I read on the Internet were quite good, so it encouraged me to watch the film.

The plot, actors, and dialogues were outstanding. I now understand why this film was the one that won Oscars and not 'Citizen Kane.'

I would recommend you watch it, but I guess most of you have already watched it since it is one of the top British films of all time.

Yes, it is an old prejudice that public servants are lazy. I also met hard workers in the public administration. I don't know how it works in Australia, but here you need to pass different exams to get the vacancy. I know we (I work in public administration) are not perfect, but I have never understood why some folks think it would be better if I (like other mates) were replaced by AI or we reduced processes to non-existent public intervention.
After Valencia's floods, the funds for reconstruction come from basically the state because insurance companies are putting a lot of obstacles. Now, who is the inefficient one here?

I remember watching a TV program from Australia. It was about lorry drivers going to and fro. It comes to my mind the vast desert, reefs, and highways of Australia where those workers were driving by. I hope those public interest services and goods are managed by the AU government with competent public servants.

We also do a similar management here. Our Constitution even states that the surface, coast, beaches, and economic platform belong to the state. In my humble opinion, a state loses sovereignty if their politicians decide to lead the administration of key goods and services to companies. I can't even imagine what would happen if those firms have foreign shareholders. Like our forests and shores have a price? No way. That would mean our countries would have a price too.

Interesting. Ivanishvili pulling the strings in the field of culture. https://eadaily.com/en/news/2025/01/29/parasites-bregvadze-and-kikabidze-ivanishvili-pays-those-who-are-against-him

3,350 is the number of people working in the field of culture and sports, to whom the founder of the Georgian Dream, entrepreneur Bidzina Ivanishvili, has been paying monthly salaries out of his own pocket for many years.

:rofl:

If you consider Bidzina Ivanishvili a traitor, a dictator, dear ladies and gentlemen, please count how much money you received from this "traitor", "dictator" and "russoblud" as creative help, and return it back to him in full or at least in parts, monthly, exactly as he paid them to you. And then I may believe that you are real patriots and know how to be principled in deeds, and not just in words.

Oh, and his son: a successful musician who was born albino. :cool:

I can't see it, and I don't get why politicians are obsessed with Musk-wannabe reduction of bureaucracy. Every developed nation needs bureaucracy because it is the duct where the citizens can interact with the administration. This was one of the main pillars of the establishment of each modern society. If I need to pay taxes, where do I go? If I want to build a house in the middle of nowhere, where do I apply to get my license? Etc.

I believe that it would be a complete mistake to absorb Musk's principle of reducing bureaucracy to near zero. I guess he doesn't need it because he is the richest man in the world, but when the rest of us demand to get drinking water out of a creek, where can I demand it? On "X" insulting woke posters?

If Americans voted to get rid of a government, it would be fine, but I only hope that this wave doesn't spread to the rest of modern nations like ours. That's the paradox. Some nations wish to have a bureaucracy (Pakistan or Iraq), and others want to get rid of it. Weird.

At most I suggested people in this thread were absorbing this information uncritically, exhibiting the reflexive, emotional response this type of media is meant to get out of them. — Tzeentch

Yes, I agree. That's what this thread is about: following the current situation of Ivanishvili. You might have missed some critical points from my side, and I understand it would be another good feature on this thread. Yet my aim was just informative, not reviewing anything. We were expecting if he would have a trial, and the London court is already processing him. I thought it was interesting to post here as well as the rest of the following news about Ivanishvili in the future.

On the other hand, I am sorry for calling you a 'conspiracy nut.' I admit I was way out of line. My apologies.

Did you take your time to read the two paragraphs I wrote after that introduction?

You claimed that I am brainwashed by the Western media and that's a fallacy. Then I answered that this thread is about Ivanishvili and that I don't even consume media at all. Yet you decided to play me. I don't want to jump into that rabbit hole.

Anyway, I will keep interested in sharing posts about Ivanshivili. It is obvious that everyone is welcome to share their opinions here too. But, please, don't derail the thread with conspiracy theories, the manipulating media and whataboutism. These belong to Donald Trump and Ukraine Crisis threads, for example.

Everything I wrote in the previous paragraph is implicitly consented by his author, @Banno. Otherwise, he can flag it if he thinks that's not the way we should approach this thread.

Ah, gotcha. You are just another conspiracy nut such as the ones who assaulted the US Capitol building.

First, I don't even consume media at all. If I posted links related to the press, it was just because I was searching for information on the Internet about the current situation of Ivan, because as I said before, Georgia seems to be uninteresting and careless for people. Yet I care, and it seems interesting to me and Banno, who started this thread. This is not about who is the worst, mate. We know all are evil. But, sometimes, we also have to put the spotlight on other examples. The world doesn't start and end with Trump and Musk.

Second, this is not about NATO. At least, it is not how I see it. There is another thread about Al-Assad and Syria. Since folks also shared their opinions in that thread, why can't we do the same towards Ivan? Simple. According to your point, we should never look beyond our wall because we also already have some issues too.

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The main point of this thread is to discuss the current situation and eventual fate of our fella Ivanishvili. We are not distracting ourselves from our own. I am plenty aware that Musk, Zuckerberg, Bezos, Gates' foundations, etc are also a big threat to our democracy; but they are already very boring. I think Ivanishvili is more interesting though.

Alas, Georgia seems to not be relevant to most people. I am aware that you are not fond of the EU, but Georgia's people deserve to vote on whether they want more proximity to the West or to Russia. Right? As well as we all overreacted towards Ukraine...

Either is Soros's or European bureaucrats' fault when a billionaire is cornered in the justice. :rofl:

First trial to our sweet billionaire tycoon: It took place on Monday in London.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/georgian-tycoon-accused-of-economic-destruction-by-former-ally-in-london-court/ar-AA1y05k5

Ivanishvili was accused on Monday in a London courtroom of “economic destruction” by lawyers for Georgian-British businessman Zaza Okuashvili, who is seeking nearly $50 million in lost profits and legal fees to date. Ivanishvili and his associates sought to destroy a string of Okuashvili’s businesses and personal wealth via means of intimidation, deception and conspiracy, taking advantage of his political influence in the country.

“Zaza Okuashvili finds himself unable to seek and obtain justice within Georgia, where due impartiality in any proceedings involving Bidzina Ivanishvili is, to put it mildly, highly questionable,” his lawyers said in court filings.

Oh, and this definitely rings a bell:

I am enjoying my first-time reading of Gogol. Dead Souls is both funny and clever in many different ways. Nozdryov (in my edition, it appears written as "Nozdrev") is outstanding. I understand now why Dostoevsky referred to him in some of his tales and works. Sadly, I only have Dead Souls. However, I'm excited to purchase more Gogol's tales in 2025. :smile:

If Einstein had a YouTube channel would you refuse to accept his views? — Agree-to-Disagree

Hmm... I think we could reformulate the question in this way: If Einstein had a YouTube channel would we subscribe to it and watch his videos? :chin:

It rains and pours on this Monday morning. I feel attracted to listening to jazz and Soul when the day is rainy.

Glad to know we experience the same feeling listening to Eno's playlist. :smile:
There is a moment where silence comes in but you can listen to a constant sharp sound. I guess that's what Eno would have referred to as 'silence' in ourselves or the consciousness. Awesome!

There is always a sound that comes from another sound, and then it finishes with silence. I don't attempt to say that there is a cause amongst sound and silence; they both are always continuing in "vibration," and even a person can hear a sound that the other cannot hear, so the latter is in silence while the first doesn't until both reach whatever point in the complex of vibrations. Furthermore, I think we could say that silence is a sound in itself.

Since I guess you and I see the same pattern that silence can contain sounds and no sounds simultaneously, I would like to recommend you listen to this:





let me know if it is close to what you think as "silence is from which sound emerges."

Gakharia: Attack On Me Is Ivanishvili’s Political Revenge

Giorgi Gakharia, the leader of the opposition For Georgia party, who was attacked on January 15 in the Sheraton hotel in Batumi, said that the attack against him had the semblance of a premediated “political revenge” and was ordered and authored by Bidzina Ivanishvili.

Speaking at today’s briefing he said: “I and, in fact, my team were the victims of a premeditated and pre-organized violent attack, which had the appearance of political revenge, and which was ordered and authored by Bidzina Ivanishvili.”

Gakharia said Ivanishvili had been threatening him and his family “in various forms” for a long time, including publicly. He said he was not focusing on the perpetrators of the attack, but only on the “mastermind behind it” – Bidzina Ivanishvili, whom he described as “the main architect of violence” and “the main root of evil” in Georgia today.

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At the end of the briefing, he again vowed, “I will do whatever it takes to ensure that Ivanishvili loses what he values most – money and power.”

I agree. I missed that actually the engineers and the rest of the people who work in his companies are the worthwhile ones, not him.

Ditto. I am not entitled to criticise him because I am aware of his development regarding space and other engineering stuff, but he reminds me of toddlers when he starts to rant about politicians or whoever decides to delete their 'X' account. I recall when the Brazilian Supreme Court banned X in Brazil, and he began to harshly condemn and rave against Brazilian judges.
Crazy on the one hand, but cringe, embarrassing, and pathetic on the other.

I don't know the context of why he said that, but I bet it is due to something related to our low contribution to NATO; and yet we have been increasing the spending in the past years because of the Ukraine crisis. I still think that is a waste of money, time, and resources. I don't understand the point of contributing to a useless army organisation that split the world in half, and some members even threaten others. Now Trump is threatening Denmark (a founder member of the treaty!) on the Greenland issue.

Well, he will indeed increase the tariffs on our products anyway xD :lol: . It doesn't matter if it is 10% or 100%.

Yeah, I agree. But I remember folks (who now voted for Trump) were always ranting on Biden's gaffes and bloopers; even Democrats threw out Biden for that reason. But it is hard to distinguish when they are ignorant about the world or just senile.

Spain is very low...

Are they a BRICS nation?

Spain, a BRICS nation... You will figure out.

:rofl: :rofl:

I am fond of the poor geopolitical knowledge of some Americans. It is funny. These folks changed one old man for another. Imagine Republicans reaction if Biden would say things like that.

Dead Souls by Nikolai Gogol.

We are reading the same author at the same time. It is interesting how fate works. Isn't it? :smile:

An absolutely wonderful and well-written post. I wholeheartedly agree, and (I guess) I couldn't have approached a better point on the overrated robot (AI).

After reading your posts, I can't come to the conclusion about what is more senseless to you: either being Spanish or hispanidad, which are different things. If your point is that our civil war and our continuous confrontation are senseless, then I agree. But I don't know to what extent it is related to the decolonising of South America. I think the senseless hysteria came afterwards.

On the other hand, you would be surprised seeing that we have a low self-esteem. So, I hardly believe that some would confront you for being anti-español. I think that rhetoric only applies among Spaniards. We will not burn everything down for the sake of our country.

moving to cheaper southern states, and then to the Caribbean and Mexico, and finally Asia. — BC

Oddly, those are the countries where child labour is a reality, and they were condemned multiple times by useless organisations (UN) for not respecting children's rights, such as education. We had the same issue in both Europe and the USA back in the 19th century. A lot of people (infants included) had to die to change the circumstances for the better. We consider that a developed nation has their children learning in schools and playing freely with friends, not allocated in a steel factory manufacturing screws. Yet this is how the hypocrisy of our politicians pops up again. We don't want a child from Madrid or Minneapolis to work in factories, but we go to nations where they don't care about crossing those lines: Mexico, India, Bangladesh, Vietnam, and (sadly) a large etc.

There are a lot of workers who can not afford to buy the goods and services they produce. — BC

Yeah. I would not say "the land for the one who works on it" because I know everything is more complex than just that. But it is a problem how a large number of workers don't earn enough to purchase not only the goods and services they produce but others. I mean, there are works that, even with an income they are still considered poor.

And now a ski lift has collapsed in Northern Spain. Hey, wait: Don't blame Spain. It might very well be the fault of the French or the Germans. — BC

:rofl: