No it isn't OK to judge a whole group of people cause of their skin color and describe them as inferior or with lower IQ or criminals.And yes they are of course equal. Simply as that. — dimosthenis9

I did not say all blacks should be treated as criminals. I asked whether in your world view it was OK to point out that they commit more crimes and whether it is OK to look for internal reasons ( lower IQ, higher aggression ), rather than external ones ( society made me do it ) ?

Man are you kidding me? You use that example as to justify what exactly?What that has to do with gay issues for example? Should I state every time that whatever harms intentionally others lives or creatures is bad, as you not to use irrelevant issues.
You pretend that you don't understand or really you don't? I hope it is the first. — dimosthenis9

ok, so if a race/culture harms other, we can say it is bad. If it doesn't we can only say it is different. :) I mean for me all those concepts ( you can not say such and such!!! ) are very relative, as I am free to think and say whatever I want. And I'm a bit messing around with you, seeing how rigid your thinking is.

Stating differences no. Considering them bad/good, inferior/superior yes it is. — dimosthenis9

Why? If I'd say that, for example, Aztec culture was bad, because it sacrificed children, does it make me a racist? :D

Of course you have to set rules to kids but your "set of rules" are what fuels racism into societies. — dimosthenis9

Once again, this a leftist cliché that gullible people just repeat without being able to think about it. Is stating obvious racial differences, like IQ, racist, etc?

kids should be raised to be respectful and do WHATEVER makes them happy despite if that's social acceptable or isn't. Whatever fulfills their heart and Not whatever society "expects" from them to do. — dimosthenis9

What if killing cats makes them happy? Of course, one should not go against his nature, but being hedonistic and doing 'whatever makes you happy' is extremely shallow. Ok, what if it is just eating ice cream and watching tv all the time? You might want to listen to Peterson about responsibility and such.

Well if you think that racism and its stereotypes isn't a bad thing and societies shouldn't overcome them, well I don't think I have much more to say then. I rest my case. — dimosthenis9

So you are operating based on some leftist constructs without even being able to fully argument or justify them. :)

I'm sure that it wasn't your intention cause I have seen other posts of you and the way you express your opinions, but this one is full of racist social stereotypes.The "smell" of them is all over. Stereotypes that societies must and will overcome one day in the future. I have faith on it. — dimosthenis9

What is racist stereotypes? Why are they bad, why should the societies overcome them? :)

Trump was a crook before he was elected. Tax fraud was his specialty. He violated numerous laws before and during his presidency.

He withdrew from the Paris Climate Accord. The Paris Accords are inadequate and have been ignored around the world, but his reasons were his loyalty to Republican energy interests and climate crisis denial.

He engaged in potentially damaging relationships with Vladimir Putin (potentially treasonous).

He encouraged insurrection on January 6, 2021. This was an extremely serious illegal act for a sitting president. It was an attempt to prevent Congress from ratifying the election of his opponent.

Since leaving office, he has yet to acknowledge that he lost the election, and has been working with Republican Party operatives to make it easier to falsify election results and at the same time limit the number of voters who might vote for the opposing party.

and so on and so forth. I am trying to forget his term in office.

Presidents in general are not reliable truth tellers (not because they are morally deficient, but because of political necessity and expedience) but he set a new low for deceit and misrepresentation that we had not seen since Richard Nixon (forced to resign in 1974).

EDIT: He further betrayed the American people by being the incompetent narcissistic buffoon that a majority of the population thought he would be. — Bitter Crank

You seem to be just repeating leftist talking points which have very little to do with reality.
If it was insurrection, why no one is arrested for it? Why people charged are charged for trespassing?

What exactly did he engage in with Putin? Somehow Putin was sitting put under Trump, who by the way banned Putin's pipeline, didn't he? Biden lifted sanction off that pipeline, and said he will not intervene if Putin invaded Ukraine, which he did.

And don't even start with that climate change idiocy. So far it just made nations abandon their energy independence and, once they understood that wind & solar don't work, they started buying Putin's gas. So you can see who is benefiting.

Actually she did do some, as well as karate. Why should that be a boy only sport? — Sir2u

Not necessary, but still there are body and goal differences between boys and girls, which need to be taken into account.

So it is alright for the freaking idiots to climb high buildings to take selfies? To be fearful of danger does not mean to just run away from it, but to take precautions when in dangerous situations. And not do stupid things for fun. — Sir2u

than I'd call it 'reasonable caution'.

That is the way a lot of people see girls, they should not do the things that boys do, they should stay home and have kids. Just the attitude you are showing. — Sir2u

You seem to be taking it our of proportion. Yet still there are some traditions that probably should not be neglected. Like why would you think that building a career is better, than having kids?

But why not? Is it because of your beliefs about the world or is there another reason. Pink is a color, like so many others, why should a person that wants to wear pink clothes not be allowed to? I have several pink shirts, do you think it makes me less of a man? — Sir2u

Depends on situation, context, etc. Like would you encourage your son to weak wife's high heels to school? Why not, those are just shoes. :)

You come from a country that has long suffered from the myth of male dominance and by teaching your kids these ideas you are doing at least two very bad things.
1. perpetuating stupidity and the concept of male dominance
2. setting life long limits on the range of reasoning and adaptability for the kids — Sir2u

I think you are kinda taking things out of context here. Like I say "boys should learn boxing" you replay with "aaa! you wants to leave the girls defenseless!"... wft.

1. The Mind: A person must be rational (IQ) — Agent Smith

Yes and not. ) seems that logic and reason can only work withing some axiomatic system which itself if neither logical nor reasonable. We ( people, civilization ) just pick some axioms and act as if they are true and build all our logic from there.

1. PQ: How your physical wellness measures up to a person of your age in peak form. — Agent Smith

I'd say about average. Had let it go a bit when the gyms were closed, not getting back on track. Routine, breathing exercises, cold showers, running...

Trump was too busy betraying the American people. — Bitter Crank

Could you be more specific here? As I see it, his only fault was that he underestimated the enemy. He had 4 years in office and instead of ensuring his loyal people are places in positions of power, he kept calling each other names with some cnn journalist.

You said "no wars" and I didn't know what that meant. — praxis

That Trump did not start any wars and did not betray any allies.

eah, that must be it. The pandemic had nothing to do with it. — praxis

Compare the prices during Trump and Biden.

You have the singular misfortune of "living during interesting times", as the proverbial Chinese curse goes. Best wishes to your family; I hope everything works out well for you, — Bitter Crank

Thank you. I guess living in such times is very interesting. On one hand you see Ukraine basically raising from the ashed and, probably, would become a new world leader, together with Poland and such. On the other you see the old world superpowers deteriorating. Truly fascinating time to live in! :)

How exactly did Biden single handedly raise gas prices across the globe, if that's what you're suggesting? And no wars during the Trump administration??? — praxis

By blocking the construction of the keystone pipeline and revoking numerous off and on shore and drilling permits. Lower supply = higher price.

What wars did Trump start or encourage?

So America was a productive adult only a couple of years ago. :lol: — praxis

Probably its most productive times were somewhere in 50-60s. Now it seems to be in a slow, yet steady decline.

Sounds like you’re stuck in the 19th century, to me. Time to re-evaluate your axioms. — Possibility

I think you are just looking at the world through some feminist lens, trying to find things to feel offended about.

My country elected Trump as its leader several years ago so yeah, something’s rotten in Denmark, but it ain’t dementia. When I look at history though, I’m left wondering at what point there existed “a productive adult.” — praxis

And what was wrong with Trump beyond slightly cringy tweets? Gas prices were low, no wars, even forced the little rocket man to sign peace.

Yet people were brainwashed into believing that "orange man bad", elected a senile pedophile instead, who closed the pipeline, gave Afghanistan to terrorists, and wanted to give Ukraine to Putin by saying he will not intervene multiple times.

If it's about all manliness, its one thing to have the warrior, creative heart of a masculine hero (that's cool enough don't get me wrong) but its another thing to be willing to forgo the dignity and glory that comes with being a warrior, and just kind be there and do stupid chores with your dorky friends or annoying family instead. Depends on what's actually more needed I guess.

Also! You never mention love. Yeah, I think that's my problem. Love is a very notable omission. — SatmBopd

Yes, of course. I just took those things, like love and friendship for granted, so I didn't include them in the list. )

There are very few you think can be called a "Man" in the world, it seems. — Ciceronianus

As I said, it is an ideal to strive for. Like Christians want to be like Jesus, but it doesn't mean any of them would really get there.

The fact that you are so sure you do is just patriarchy at work. — Possibility

And what's wrong with that?

Like Possibility say, ya need to join the 21st century, if only for your children's sake. — praxis

I'm from eastern Europe and what I see going on in US, Canada, UK, etc. is perceived not as progress, but as madness. So we clearly have no desire to join this lunacy, we'd better stay with Poland, the Czech republic, Ukraine, etc.

It seems that civilizations go the same life cycle as people. First you are an infant, than a confused teenager, at some point you become a productive adult, but than inevitably turn senile and die. So all this 'gender neutral' stuff is as progressive as a progressing dementia. ;)

No, YOU wouldn’t. You don’t get to answer for all men. — Possibility

I am sure I can answer for most men. If you prefer dudes, or at least girls that look like dudes, well, that's up to you.

You need to wake up, mate - this is the 21st century, and that shit’s not gonna fly anymore. — Possibility

I do not see decadence, i.e. loosing standards, as a positive thing, rather as a potentially deadly illness of a civilization.

Of course girls need to have a good character, etc., but in general traits see as positive in a man and in a woman are very different.

Where does it say there has to be definitive group? — Possibility

all human history. also it seems an inevitable trait of human psychology, for a large group to split into multiple sub-groups that compete against each other.

And plenty of girls have naturally broad shoulders - does this make them less of a girl? — Possibility

Yes. You wouldn't want to date a girl that looks like a dude. As weightlifting certainly gives you broader shoulders, be it your main goal or just a side effect.

The merits of boxing have nothing to do with broken noses - it’s about the disciplined use of power: knowing when NOT to strike, when to block, etc. — Possibility

I would say that the merits of boxing is
1. not being afraid of a physical altercation.
2. in case of such, being able to knock out your opponent and the confidence that comes with it.

‘Random’ implies ignorance and isolation. If you’re willing to increase awareness and connection, then there’d be no reason to exclude — Possibility

Not sure I get it. I mean the whole idea of a group is that there also in an out-group, so you can not include all and everyone. )

I don’t see why not, if she showed an interest. — Possibility

Broad shoulders and a broken nose would not look good on a girl. :D jk

He may be a perfectly fine son, person, citizen, etc. and not manifest these traits.
Suppose he doesn't pan out the way you want him to? — Bitter Crank

I mean it is an ideal to strive towards. Certainly no one has 100% of all of those traits.

Most idols tend to have attributes the idolizers lack. I suppose the complement each other - making up for each others' defects. An alloy is better than either of the metals that are so combined. The whole is greater than the sum of its parts (Holism). — Agent Smith

Not sure I understand what it has to do with the topic at hand...

So if it was a daughter you would raise her differently from your son? — Sir2u

Of course. Boys would benefit from boxing & weightlifting. Girls certainly not so much. :) so probably swimming or jiujitsu would do better.

fear of the dangerous, — Sir2u

Not sure being overly fearful is a good idea, thought...

daughters are breeders — Sir2u

Why would you use such a derogatory term towards women?

Do you let your kid wear pink clothes if he wants to? — Sir2u

Of course not.

Teach any kid the basics and let them decide how to live without your expectations forcing them into unwanted paths. — Sir2u

That's how my parents raised me, to be honest not the best approach, as it takes time to figure things out. Like understanding that you need boxing and starting to learn it when you're almost 40 is harder, than when you're 10. )

Am I saying your kid is to get the same love, respect, and pride from you regardless of whether they satisfy your competitve criteria? Yes, yes I am. — Hanover

I am not saying that children not satisfying such criteria are not worthy. This is more like an ideal to strive for, understanding that of course you will fall short in some regards.

God (omnibenevolent, omniscient, and omnipotent) is a good role model for boys in my humble opinion. I suppose that's why Adam, along with Eve, got kicked out of the garden of Eden. Adam became a competitor. — Agent Smith

Thank you, I will look into it. Yet I myself am not a huge fan of Christianity, with all my respect to it, the way it manifests seems to be more of a "religion for the weak". You might argue it gives one strength to overcome suffering, but probably not strength to do bald things...

I will be charitable here and assume you didn’t just mean this as a guide for masculinity. I think your son needs to recognise these qualities in both genders, for starters. — Possibility

Well, genders clearly have their differences, such as you wouldn't want to take your daughter to boxing and weightlifting. :)

Be willing to increase awareness over ignorance, connection over isolation and collaboration over exclusion, at every opportunity. — Possibility

I guess it is very situation dependent and probably should be goal orientated. i.e. you don't want to include random people just for the sake of it.

Sounds like a decent set of ideals to be a woman as well. — Philosophim

Yes, thank you. )

So a woman only needs to be a good housekeeper and breeder? — praxis

no, not sure why you need to inject this here...

Sounds a bit insecure. — praxis

quite the opposite. Like learn lots of view and conjure your own.

Teach them to be afraid to feel? — praxis

Not afraid, but don't let feelings drive you, when it is counter productive.

Why make a leap of faith if you're comfortable stepping into the unknown? — praxis

To step into the unknown, you usually need to make some kind of a leap of faith. ;)

I think you are pointing toward an updated version of 'We ought to obey God rather than men.' Of course 'God' is replaced by this or that principle, more or less articulate. — jas0n

I think so. So 'all mighty personal God' concept might not work for modern people, so something that does the same function, yet is culturally acceptable is needed. :)

For example, “a good person has to fight climate change” or “a good person has to support BLM” or "democracy is the best and only just system of governance" or "children need to do good at school to get into a good college", "I need to an expensive car, so that neighbors would respect me", etc.

I think it does and I think the term/s you are looking for are ‘ideals’ or ‘ideology’. If not tell me how what you are talking about differs. — I like sushi

Probably an 'ideal' is something you strive towards. Like Christians want to be like Jesus, so Jesus is their ideal.
'Ideology' might refer to world view that takes a person over completely, like 'communist ideology' or 'transgender ideology'. Plus this term has a somewhat negative connotation, implying that a person is somewhat brainwashed.

While 'concepts' might be close to the term 'idea'. Only 'idea' is usually something a person come up on his own, while in this context 'concept' is more of what one gets from the outside...

Would it be better to say what you are talking about is ‘ideals’ and ‘ideology’ rather than beliefs and concepts? If not what is the difference? — I like sushi

Our culture does not have an exact term for this thing, so we need to coin some precise terminology to describe it. )

Thank you! :)

If I chose wrong in what I deemed to be good, those who had chosen correctly would have every right to stop me. — Philosophim

Of course, again, that's how the world works. Different people have different concepts and they often fight each other in some way to make one concept dominate over the other. For example, Putin wants to export his 'russian world' concept onto Ukraine, while Ukraine wants to have its own concepts, so they are fighting for it.

"I have the right to do whatever I want and call it good, no matter how it affects other people." — Philosophim

On the other hand, that is how the world works. People do what they believe is good, sometimes it is really good, sometimes they might be extremely delusional.

The issue I wanted to point out, and I think you realize it as well, is the notion of responsibility for what we decide to do. When we accept societies precepts without thought, we avoid responsibility and make our decisions based on things such as fear, avoiding rejection, or a host of societal pressures that shouldn't tie into the reasoning of the concepts themselves. — Philosophim

I think people always bare responsibility for their action or inaction, no matter whether they did it on their own accord to were lead there by societal norms. )

A more practical kind of freedom might require risk of life or at least comfort or reputation for its establishment. — jas0n

Well, of course when a person goes against the mob, the mob would try to bully him back into conformity. But hopefully he has enough of a spine to say "no, I am right and you all are wrong!". Modern examples that come to mind might be Peterson, Gad Saad and such. :)

I thought about it the other way around - that a person would NOT do what he deems as immoral, even if his society tries to force him to. For example, a German who refuses to gas the Jews. Or a Russian conscript, who does not go to war, because he sees it as immoral ( not because he is afraid to come back in a body bag ), despite being called a coward and a traitor by his society.