I more thought about it the other way around - that a person would NOT do what he deems as immoral, even if his society tries to force him to. — stoicHoneyBadger
A person is able to generate his own concepts and build a coherent world view out of them. Cultural norms are no longer relevant to him. He himself has the authority to determine what is good or bad, regardless of other people. — stoicHoneyBadger
A more practical kind of freedom might require risk of life or at least comfort or reputation for its establishment. — jas0n
The issue I wanted to point out, and I think you realize it as well, is the notion of responsibility for what we decide to do. When we accept societies precepts without thought, we avoid responsibility and make our decisions based on things such as fear, avoiding rejection, or a host of societal pressures that shouldn't tie into the reasoning of the concepts themselves. — Philosophim
"I have the right to do whatever I want and call it good, no matter how it affects other people." — Philosophim
I think people always bare responsibility for their action or inaction, no matter whether they did it on their own accord to were lead there by societal norms. — stoicHoneyBadger
"I have the right to do whatever I want and call it good, no matter how it affects other people."
— Philosophim
On the other hand, that is how the world works. People do what they believe is good, sometimes it is really good, sometimes they might be extremely delusional. — stoicHoneyBadger
If I chose wrong in what I deemed to be good, those who had chosen correctly would have every right to stop me. — Philosophim
Would it be better to say what you are talking about is ‘ideals’ and ‘ideology’ rather than beliefs and concepts? If not what is the difference? — I like sushi
I think it does and I think the term/s you are looking for are ‘ideals’ or ‘ideology’. If not tell me how what you are talking about differs. — I like sushi
He believes those concepts to be the ultimate truth and is very combative against anybody questioning their validity. — stoicHoneyBadger
Modern examples that come to mind might be Peterson, Gad Saad and such. :) — stoicHoneyBadger
Probably an 'ideal' is something you strive towards. Like Christians want to be like Jesus, so Jesus is their ideal. 'Ideology' might refer to world view that takes a person over completely, like 'communist ideology' or 'transgender ideology'. — stoicHoneyBadger
For example, a German who refuses to gas the Jews. Or a Russian conscript, who does not go to war, because he sees it as immoral ( not because he is afraid to come back in a body bag ), despite being called a coward and a traitor by his society. — stoicHoneyBadger
I think you are pointing toward an updated version of 'We ought to obey God rather than men.' Of course 'God' is replaced by this or that principle, more or less articulate. — jas0n
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