This is exactly my view. Do you disagree with this premise? — Fides Quaerens Intellectum
Again if no one on Earth ever condemned genocide would it be the right thing to do? — Fides Quaerens Intellectum
Why would you not find it persuasive? — Fides Quaerens Intellectum
Historical facts are not actual facts, they are our most probable guess based on evidence. — Fides Quaerens Intellectum
My point is that a lack of knowledge does not constitute a lack of fact. — Fides Quaerens Intellectum
Also you all seem to be ignoring the absolutes that we agree on. — Fides Quaerens Intellectum
We do this because certain, basic, moral principles are understood universally, such as human life should be protected, or one should never cause another undue pain. — Fides Quaerens Intellectum
You are arguing that ending suffering should be more valuable that preserving life, are you not? If this is the case where did your idea of this come from? — Fides Quaerens Intellectum
But it seems that morality is the only discipline in which we take disagreements to mean there is no answer. — Fides Quaerens Intellectum
Morality is studied, even by self proclaimed relativists, why would we do such a thing if there was no answer? — Fides Quaerens Intellectum
Also consider this if morality was invented by humanity how did we come to set a moral standard that is impossible for humans to reach? — Fides Quaerens Intellectum
My reasons are based on empathy and what I value. — Fooloso4
In any discipline where there is disagreement an absolute answer has not been determined. In some cases an answer will be found but until or unless it is found the proposed answers are relative not absolute. — Fooloso4
Science does not operate based on absolute certainty. History does not operate based on absolute certainly. Philosophy does not operate based on absolute certainty. — Fooloso4
What moral standard is that? This is not something a moral relativist would do. — Fooloso4
So would a person without empathy and different values be perfectly justified in committing genocide? — Fides Quaerens Intellectum
The proposed answers are not relative they are either right or wrong. We do not know the origin of the universe with certainty but we do believe that the big bang is more probable than the idea that a turtle puked it out. — Fides Quaerens Intellectum
We can only make this distinction because there absolutely is an origin to the universe. — Fides Quaerens Intellectum
We may not know with absolute certainty what is right or wrong in some circumstances. We are then left to our best guesses as to what the correct answer is. — Fides Quaerens Intellectum
These guesses are not relative but either right or wrong. — Fides Quaerens Intellectum
All that matters is that we know this absolute answer exists. From that standpoint we can rank moral ideas, based on how close we believe it is to the truth. — Fides Quaerens Intellectum
Philosophy actually does often deal in certainty, see absolute truths (but that's not really important right now I just thought you'd find it interesting). — Fides Quaerens Intellectum
Science and history do not operate based on absolute certainty but both disciplines operate based on the idea that there is an absolute truth. — Fides Quaerens Intellectum
I am not arguing for absolute moral certainty — Fides Quaerens Intellectum
I am arguing that the absolute moral truth exists. — Fides Quaerens Intellectum
My question is that if we invented morality why would we not use it to justify the actions we are currently doing instead of placing a goal that we will fall short of? — Fides Quaerens Intellectum
a relativist like that would just say that it doesn't matter how we act at all. — Fides Quaerens Intellectum
You are correct but unless oppression is morally wrong, why does this matter? — Fides Quaerens Intellectum
Do you believe that your moral views and the views of the fascist to have equal moral validity? — Fides Quaerens Intellectum
If this is the only determining factor then what right do you have to condemn the actions of Mussolini? — Fides Quaerens Intellectum
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