no potential can make itself actual" — spirit-salamander
The basic principle of Aristotle’s argument is that everything that is in motion is moved by something else. — spirit-salamander
Nongenuine potentials
"are nonreal things." (Zev Bechler)
Genuine potentials, on the other hand,
"can be movers[.]" (Bechler) — spirit-salamander
But do you think the proof works with or without the composition argument? — spirit-salamander
The point of my criticism is that you will always end up with mundane primary movers, never with a God — spirit-salamander
Just take a look at "Aristotle's Revenge" by Feser. Seldom is seen such a waste of paper by someone so famous — Gregory
Everything has potential and actuality, simplicity and matter. Its one reality that goes back to infinity and to nowhere — Gregory
You're say in response to the question "how many parts does a tree have": "our minds are fallible"
You're response to the question of whether a lamp or a street sign have one form or many: "our minds are fallible"
Yet you think you have fully figured out that there is deity based on two petty ideas? — Gregory
you seem to do is make oddball off the wall, or incoherent, — Metaphysician Undercover
If you can show me a way to understand the concepts of potential and actual which you think is better than the one I've derived from the Aristotelian tradition, — Metaphysician Undercover
I don't know if you will find it better, but there are alternatives. Every object has potential to be painted, burned, thrown in the air, and lots of other things. But it is actual. All objects are like this and have always been this way. — Gregory
Your idea of seinsfrage ("what is being") in terms of potency and actuality, to use the terminology of Heidegger, leads to a very strange notion of zeitlichkeit (the here and now as "this very presence"). "The sense of the world must lie outside the world" says Wittgenstein. If you don't want to read a Hegel book from to cover and really try to understand it (which is the best way to get past Thomism), then maybe try Being and Nothingness by Sartre, who tries in a very subtle way to cure Aristotle's horror of nothing — Gregory
Zev Bechler, whom I quote briefly in my op, does indeed assume two kinds of potentiality.
The German philosopher Trendelenburg dealt with this topic:
"There is a problem, it seems, in ascribing such importance to Aristotle’s influence on Trendelenburg. For when he does comment on Aristotle’s explicit definition of motion, Trendelenburg explicitly rejects it. In Physics III,1 Aristotle had defined motion as “The actualization of what exists potentially, in so far as it exists potentially.” (201a) Trendelenburg took issue with this definition in the Logische Untersuchungen on the grounds that the concepts of actuality and potentiality are less primitive than motion itself, and indeed need to be defined through it (I, 153). Potentiality made no sense, for example, unless it was understood as a direction toward something, and so as a motion." (Frederick C. Beiser - Late German Idealism. Trendelenburg and Lotze) — spirit-salamander
There is a also distinction between "energy" as "potential" and "kinetic" made by physics. With "potential energy" only the "rest energy" is meant in contrast to the "kinetic energy". However, both are essentially an "actual" energy. So the actual "potential" energy can also be actualized. — spirit-salamander
Things exist in between Aristotelian actuality and potentiality, and move by virtue of their material constitutions. — Gregory
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