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But surely owning or disowning determinism, or any other system only makes sense in the context of any particular framework of meanings. — Jack Cummins
So, you are suggesting that all our meanings are determined. I think that I follow your basic argument, but I am not sure that it is any more objectively valid than less determinist viewpoints. — Jack Cummins
I think that you are really trying to point to the weaknesses in determinism, but it is just a little confusing, because in some ways you are trying to go through the steps of determinist views, in perhaps a slightly caricaturist way. — Jack Cummins
There is a distinction. In a deterministic universe, the sentence is merely an utterance without meaning. The word exists. That's all. — MondoR
If you wish to mount an argument, you will first need to recant. — Banno
Scientists, also, are doing nothing more than reporting as they have been determined to report, and their observations are no more worthwhile than that of a Shaman. — MondoR
Science is not a report. It is a method for understanding the causes of what happens. The method does require being able to repeat experiments and recognize competing explanations of phenomena.
The method has brought powerful tools into the world with both constructive and destructive potential. The matter has progressed far beyond whether to believe a Shaman or not. — Valentinus
What I said here was determined, but was it meaningful? — ghostlycutter
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