. I subscribe to approaches to understanding living systems that impute a kind of aboutness even to creatures with no cognitive capacities to speak of.
— Joshs
Buy then intention wouldn't be involved, right? — frank
Strictly speaking , without consciousness there could not be intentionality, although an ‘aboutness’ and self-organizing anticipative directionality would still characterize the organism’s behavior. — Joshs
So your intestines have anticipitive directionality toward shitting. So that's what intestineses are about? Sort of, yes. — frank
I defined information earlier in the thread as the relationship between cause and effect. Sensation is a causal relationship between the sense and what is sensed, therefore sensation is a type of information.There are as many definitions of information as there are of intentionality , so in order for each of us to know what the other is talking about we would need to clarify these terms. I would just offer that u less you are willing to reduce information to ‘sense’ , the only place for information I see in Husserl’s model of consciousness is as a derived, second order construction. — Joshs
You're right. It seems like an obfuscation. I think it can be explained in a much simpler manner. The simple idea of cause and effect is that some existing condition determines subsequent conditions. The fact that each effect is determined by its cause means that each effect carries information about the cause, or is about the cause. Effects are also causes of other effects further down the timeline. Designating any particular condition as a cause or effect is dependent upon the goal in mind, or intentionality. An example would be making hammer vs. using a hammer. The hammer is both the effect our building it, and part of the cause of the nail being driven.This may not make much sense but maybe you can see how it deviates from the logic of natural cause-effect. — Joshs
The simple idea of cause and effect is that some existing condition determines subsequent conditions. — Harry Hindu
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