I think it’s evident individuals do and should cooperate. I just don’t think any person should be sacrificed for an idea, whether it’s the “greater good”, the nation, the party, humanity itself. — NOS4A2
I don't mind the concept of laissez-faire because it implies the state keeping their hands off of private affairs. But when corporations seek favor from state power my defense ends. — NOS4A2
Didn't we agree that the woman born into a Islamic fundamentalist society is not morally indebted to that society simply by virtue of dependency? — Tzeentch
Even if the idea is individualism?
Like if I had some kind of weapon that allowed me to capture and control the minds of large masses of people and cause them to establish some kind of tyranny, would the prevention of that tyranny be grounds to sacrifice me as an individual?
Aren't all affairs private affairs from a strict individualist perspective?
I see taxes as forced labor and theft — NOS4A2
Society wants you to have personalities not individualities ... Society wants you to conform to others ... Society wants you unnintelligent ... because just unintelligent beings can be easily but subtly enslaved to monotonous and stupid jobs. For example, spend the whole Life being a clerk. That's tremendously insensitive.You are not allowed to be the way you are ... you are allowed to be carbon copys of others ... whose Life is meaningless ... so you can be easily manipulated through your so-called beloved politicians — Anand-Haqq
If you believe the individual is the primary unit of concern, you necessarily have a concern for all persons — NOS4A2
Well I can only hope your love for family trumps your love for Trump and laissez-faire (fuck the working class) capitalism. Other than that, if I recall correctly, you claim to be a godless expatriate so no loyalties there.
I don't mind the concept of laissez-faire because it implies the state keeping their hands off of private affairs. But when corporations seek favor from state power my defense ends. — NOS4A2
In your scenario the culprit is Islamic fundamentalism. — praxis
You do realise this is totally a-historical? Rights were and are granted by the state, . Human rights are a civilised luxury, nothing fundamental about it.
For taxation to be theft, there must be a right to pre-tax income. Legally, this is clearly not the case.
A moral right to pre-tax can only be said to exist if earned income results in a fair and equitable payment for labour rendered. This too is false. Market circumstances are not concerned with the moral worth of labour or who needs the job the most or who is most deserving of fulfilling the assignment. So a moral right to pre-tax income is incoherent.
Since no rights are infringed, there's no theft.
What do you mean with social power?
And yet that "concern for all persons" does not extend to their health or whether children have food and shelter.
Evidently your concern extends only to yourself and the principle of the right to be left alone.
In your scenario the culprit is Islamic fundamentalism.
— praxis
I don't think so. Islamic fundamentalism is an idea. — Tzeentch
I see taxes as forced labor and theft, the profits of which go to war, imprisonment, and ineffectual bureaucracy, as much as it does to roads and bridges. — NOS4A2
That essence, in India, has been called atma, the soul.
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... the whole society depends on personality, the state, the church, organizations, the establishment are all lies. — Anand-Haqq
I don't think so. Islamic fundamentalism is an idea, and ideas don't oppress people. People oppress people. Ideas are given power by individuals that choose to adopt them and impose them on others. I could have chosen various other examples, but I tried to make the injustice as clear as possible.
The principle at play here, is that the moral and physical impositions of the collective undermine the interests of the individual. We recognize that as injustice, especially when the injustice is magnified by one's own moral framework. Can you recognize it too when one's own moral framework is what hides it? — Tzeentch
The principle at play here, is that the moral and physical impositions of the collective undermine the interests of the individual. — Tzeentch
We recognize that as injustice, especially when the injustice is magnified by one's own moral framework. Can you recognize it too when one's own moral framework is what hides it? — Tzeentch
What if a collective has little power and an individual has a lot of power, might not that individual undermine the interests of the collective? — praxis
Evidently you’re mistaken, because you didn’t ask if I was concerned with the poor and whether children have food and water. — NOS4A2
You mean like Somalia? — James Riley
What if a collective has little power and an individual has a lot of power, might not that individual undermine the interests of the collective? — praxis
If the individual liked the power and wanted to stay in power they might intentionally take actions that weaken a collective in order to keep that power. The individual might try to make it difficult for the collective to organize, for instance, or promote the virtue of Individualism, and undermine their collective power. And of course divide and conquer has always been a crowd pleasing strategy. — praxis
So, you are "concerned" but don't think they have a right to health care or help when needed. Do you recognize the rights to life, liberty, happiness, and property? Do you think they are rights only as long as people are lucky enough to have them?
I think they should be helped, of course. — NOS4A2
Do you afford them these rights? — NOS4A2
But not by you and not with the tax dollars you are required to pay. You just want to be left alone.
I do not think of it in terms of rights. This is a fundamental problem with modern liberalism, everything is seen through the lens of individual rights. I do not "afford" people rights.
Power hungry individuals are, sadly, everywhere. And by not giving them strong states to hold power over... — Tzeentch
I can, will and have helped people in need both with my money and my efforts. My efforts and concern extend beyond begging the state to take care of people in need. — NOS4A2
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