I would like to be me again! I have some very reliable people who can/will ensure that is the case — Agent Smith
But do they want you to be you again.... If they can assure me that, I want you to be you again too... :wink: — Haglund
If someone told me they were going to duplicate and replace my brain with a mechanical one (and dispose of the organic one), I would consider that death. However, if they could replace it incrementally and guarantee I was conscious the whole time, I don't consider that death, Does anyone else share this intuition? — RogueAI
What do you mean by "unnaturally easy"? Is it so evident?we find it almost unnaturally easy to think of consciousness as something distinct from body, — Manuel
Not if one considers that consciousness is separate from the body. Death and rebirth concern the body. Although I believe that such an experiment would create such a shock for the individual that he could not survive it.I agree, so what happens when that continuity is broken by periods of non-consciousness? Death and rebirth? — RogueAI
I just gave a look about the book and saw that it talks about AI.book, "Artificial You"? It was written by Susan Schneider, — Bret Bernhoft
Yet, it seems that a lot of people prefer dreaming ... It's more thrilling! :smile:Replace one half of the brain by a synthetic. Dream along... — Haglund
It is the same way my laptop is unable to imagine the kind of intelligence that is in my brain — Angelo Cannata
Yet, it seems that a lot of people prefer dreaming ... It's more thrilling — Alkis Piskas
Interesting point.he Ship of Theseus. What if we reassemble your brain parts. What then? — Agent Smith
Are you indeed "your particles"?the particles being you, can never be you again. — Haglund
Oh, where? Not in here I guess ... I have met only a couple ones here ...for many people, there is such a thing as a soul, to which we can attach certain aspects of mind. — Manuel
Right. As a cartoon maybe ... :smile:Dreams are great! Let them try to program one! — Haglund
just gave a look about the book and saw that it talks about AI.
I think that discussions relating AI/computers to brain/consciousness have been exhausted in here (and elsewhere) and the results --based on unrefuted and unrefutable arguments-- have classified them as "sci-fi material". (Yet, I' am afraid that this is far from being accepted by most people.) — Alkis Piskas
Right. As a cartoon maybe ... :smile: — Alkis Piskas
Why not? — Angelo Cannata
1) there are infinite degrees and qualities of imagination. The consequence is that what we call “imagination” has no limits, no boundaries, so it must be referred even to stones and single atoms. In atoms, obviously, imagination happens simply in the form of phisical things that can happen in atoms, I am not referring to anything special or supernatural; my human imagination is just more complex. — Angelo Cannata
There is a jump, a difference, between human imagination and any other kind of phenomenon that we would like to compare to human imagination. — Angelo Cannata
Sorry for my bad English, perhaps I should use another word. By “jump” I mean discontinuity, point of discontinuity, the point where something ends and something different begins.What do you mean with this jump? — Haglund
The same problem applies between objects and living things: where is the point of discontinuity? Is a virus a living being or just a complex organizations of molecules? If we are unable to determine the point of discontinuity, then there is no exact difference between objects and humans.I agree but don't see the link with objects — Haglund
The same problem applies between objects and living things: where is the point of discontinuity — Angelo Cannata
Oh, I see. Certainly there are. But, as you say, they "think there's something more to mind ...". Well, I don't consider this enough, i.e. a "solid" awareneness, but it is certainly better than not thinkg that at all! And we are speaking of people in the West. Because in the East, people are more spiritiual and have a quite "solid" awareness regarding this subject. One can realize this from the difference between Western and Eatern tradition, philosopy, etc.I have in mind ordinary people, say many who are religious, which may amount to more than half of the world population. It's my impression that they often do think there's something more to mind than brain. — Manuel
Exactly. And this is what worries me. I find it somewhat "unnatural" ...Of course, in a forum like this, it's going to be very rare. — Manuel
True. I don't know though when "things" started to change and why ... It's something worth exploring ...It was very much alive in the neo-Platonist tradition up until, roughly after Newton. — Manuel
Indeed. How "unscientific" this is, eh? :grin: A big irony, isn't it?And the people who take it seriously are even assumed scientists, — Haglund
I'm much impressed with science too, but one has to put things in their right perspective ... "Give to Caesar what belongs to Caesar ..."People though are impressed by science somehow and continue the myth — Haglund
Right. Let them try ... (Although they could invest their time in much more productive things...)just let it evolve, instead of trying to accomplish it by a hyperspeedy clocktime and massive quantities of data, following sophisticated programs. — Haglund
Well, AI is among my programming fields and interests! :grin:AI is AS, artificial stupidity — Haglund
If someone told me they were going to duplicate and replace my brain with a mechanical one (and dispose of the organic one), I would consider that death. However, if they could replace it incrementally and guarantee I was conscious the whole time, I don't consider that death, Does anyone else share this intuition? — RogueAI
"Give to Caesar what belongs to Caesar ..." — Alkis Piskas
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