Goggle Wheeler's Cloud first, you may use that as your [the] reference point... . — 3017amen
It's a song. — T Clark
if mathematics and natural laws are stories, are we living in a mystical, fictitious or abstract world of stories? I mean that in both literally and figuratively. — 3017amen
I use the term from here: ethnoscience/structuralism: The belief that phenomena of human life are not intelligible except through their interrelations. These relations constitute a structure, and behind local variations in the surface phenomena there are constant laws of abstract structure-Simon Blackburn. — 3017amen
Should one wonder about causation then? — 3017amen
Existence, for you then (as you described), could be simply abstract, not really real. Is that, in a sense, metaphysics? Or, is it some sort of Platonic existence where mathematical structures exist? Those questions seem rhetorical, but they're not. I'm just trying to piece together the rationale there... . — 3017amen
Goggle Wheeler's Cloud first, you may use that as your [the] reference point... . — 3017amen
if mathematics and natural laws are stories, are we living in a mystical, fictitious or abstract world of stories? I mean that in both literally and figuratively. — 3017amen
Yes. — T Clark
I use the term from here: ethnoscience/structuralism: The belief that phenomena of human life are not intelligible except through their interrelations. These relations constitute a structure, and behind local variations in the surface phenomena there are constant laws of abstract structure-Simon Blackburn. — 3017amen
Sorry. I still don't know what this means. — T Clark
Should one wonder about causation then? — 3017amen
One should always wonder about causation — T Clark
What was there before humanity - a big bucket full of goo without the bucket. All one undifferentiated thing - the Tao. We came along and started making distinctions, abstractions - trees, quarks, love. That's the world we know. Is that real? Sure, but the goo comes first. Lao Tzu wrote about the Tao:
It is hidden but always present.
I don't know who gave birth to it.
It is older than God. — T Clark
philosophy lives in words. Or, as you say, stories — 3017amen
Assuming you have a grasp of what science is and what religion is, what is your justification, & etc.?What is your justification for joining religion with natural/physical sciences? They are antithetical.
— tim wood
Disagree with this. — T Clark
Agree with what? If you mean any no-abstract analysis of the natural world is possible, what would be one?Are we faced with yet another abstract analysis about the natural world?
— 3017amen
Is anything else possible? Or even conceivable?
— tim wood
Agree with this. — T Clark
mathematics is called the "Queen of the Sciences" — jgill
The 'queen of sciences' used to be theology. — Wayfarer
Not so, they are what physics is all about.I think we know the question(s) of why there are patterns in nature and why there are simple mathematical schemes in same, lies outside of physics. — 3017amen
What is a biological survival advantage?1. Do any of these features or properties of consciousness confer any biological survival advantages? — 3017amen
Agree with what? If you mean any no-abstract analysis of the natural world is possible, what would be one? — tim wood
Are we faced with yet another abstract analysis about the natural world?
— 3017amen
Is anything else possible? Or even conceivable?
— tim wood
Agree with this.
— T Clark
Agree with what? If you mean any no-abstract analysis of the natural world is possible, what would be one? — tim wood
I think we know the question(s) of why there are patterns in nature and why there are simple mathematical schemes in same, lies outside of physics. — 3017amenNot so, they are what physics is all about. — tim wood
Do any of these features or properties of consciousness confer any biological survival advantages? — 3017amenWhat is a biological survival advantage?
And so on through your whole post. — tim wood
Let's start with the laws of gravity. Is that knowledge needed to dodge falling objects in the jungle? — 3017amen
You won't mind my noting this is very problematic. I would say that religion is one way of assigning values in the world. But knowing the world? How? Please feel free to define terms. — tim wood
What I mean is, philosophically, that lead me to the idea of Structuralism, which in turn lead me to atheist Simon Blackburn's take on same, thanks to ↪Manuel : The belief that phenomena of human life are not intelligible except through their interrelations. These relations constitute a structure, and behind local variations in the surface phenomena there are constant laws of abstract structure. — 3017amen
Hence my questions about how we ourselves, might be more akin to the metaphysical, than the physical. — 3017amen
If mathematics in science/physics, are used to describe/explain much of the natural world, and considering the fact that it (math) is an abstract metaphysical language, what other things in life are considered abstract and metaphysical? Concerning our own ontology, the answer is consciousness (aka Idealism). And that leads to other abstract metaphysical features of or from consciousness: — 3017amen
Non-human creatures large and small live in the jungle. Name one that knows anything about any laws of gravity. — tim wood
For example, what does, "patterns in nature" mean? What does, "simple mathematical schemes in same," mean? — tim wood
I don't know what you're trying to get at and I don't see what any of this has to do with structuralism. Ditto for the rest of your post. I don't see how all the questions you ask are related to each other or structuralism. — T Clark
We don't know reality, we know human reality. — T Clark
Unfortunately, that's incorrect — 3017amen
Think of it this way, as Einstein eluded, if we were all Dr. Spock's or 'Spock-like', we wouldn't contemplate those kinds of things...there would be no need. — 3017amen
Looked it up. The only reference was a song. Couldn't find any lyrics. — T Clark
Look harder, you' ll find that music is metaphysical. Quite enjoyable too! You know, it's kind of a universal language — 3017amen
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