The callers had a standard text they read in Arabic that went something like this: “How are you? Is everything okay? This is the Israeli military. We need to bomb your home and we are making every effort to minimize casualties. Please make sure that no one is nearby since in five minutes we will attack.” The line would then go dead. — Jerusalem Post
There is a nice map, which shows the Biblical Israel, very attractive to Christians and Jews alike, I guess. — FreeEmotion
... messianic Jewish settlers & Hamas.The majority of Jewish people in the diaspora and in Israel for a long time have favored a two-state solution ... it's a national question, it's a land question. This is also the expressed view of the United States Congress, of American Jewry, of the United Nations, of the European Union ... and of the Palestinian Liberation Organization. It's what the majority of people involved in this dispute want. Why can't they get what we all want? Why is it made impossible? Because in both communities the veto is held by 'the party of God' ... — Christopher Hitchens, 2009
Your accusations of schizophrenia happen only because you seem to have the problem that the victim cannot be also a perpetrator and vice versa. Yet in reality it's often so. And that people have to choose a side and then be supporters of that side, which means you don't bring the negative aspects of whom you support, seems to be how you approach this conflict.Man, you might be the most schizophrenic poster on this topic on here. — schopenhauer1
They simply don't have the capability! If the IDF couldn't erase Hezbollah out from World in the last war, how on Earth do you ever think the puny little Lebanese army could ever do that? Hezbollah has fought better against Israel than the whole Syrian Army in the 1980's, which happened to occupy large parts of Lebanon back then. It has had long backing from the Iranians and have focused on the little things like small unit fighting that is important in war.My point was that it would require a civil war to gain control back from rogue actor Hezbollah de facto doing whatever it wants. They don't want that, as they've already seen a bunch of conflict and don't have the stomach for it again. — schopenhauer1
And with that "democratic" term, with free and fair elections, the Muslim Brotherhood came into power in Egypt. And if they wouldn't have been thrown out in a military coup, I'm sure that they wouldn't have allowed free press and the freedoms what we think of being an integral part of the system. And do note that the military coup had it's supporters also. There isn't going on an ongoing large fight against Sisi's government.But generally when we use the term "democratic" we mean a state that recognizes rights and have free and fair elections, allow freedom of speech, press, ideas, etc. — schopenhauer1
Well, sorry, but people can vote "wrong". And you can then blame the people for voting "wrong". I don't, it's a danger that comes with people power. If the "normal" parties end up being totally worthless in the eyes of the voters, they will vote for otherwise "fringe" parties. That's why thing like BREXIT or Trump happen even to us. I won't start then blaming somehow the people for being against democracy or so, it's simply that the political system has failed. For example in Egypt the Muslim Brotherhood was the only party with a large grass roots organization. Pretty hard for liberal parties to start up when everything Western is typically related to the former rulers and their corruption and inefficiency.If people vote in Nazis into power somewhere, I don't support it just because a majority voted them in. That represents not only an illiberal democracy, but an illiberal democracy that is voting out democratic principles. — schopenhauer1
Well, seem you don't read my comments. Just like now, by killing civilians and anyone possible they could reach in Israel, Hamas has made it's best effort to ruin any idea of peace of a two-state settlement, and it was done on purpose. And is the PA innocent here? No, not only has there been corruption, but mistakes have been done starting when Jasser Arafat didn't take deal when it was the best for him. But then there's just the question just how independent the Palestine would have been. Sorry, but religios zealots have a too big influence over the events in the Middle East. And just as the emergence of Hamas is a fact like the building of the settlements to the West Bank, we obviously aren't where we were in the 1990's. I don't see a peaceful solution here. Just more of the same: suffering and hatred.Do you ever put any onus on the Palestinians, or is it always going to be Israel's fault no matter what? — schopenhauer1
As one stated, we are talking about the doppler effect and how projectiles sound. And then it's one hand held recorder (phone or video camera). The bigger fire explosion than usually from a rocket can be explained with the existing rocket fuel. The video doesn't capture the actual projectile. So as I've earlier said, the rocket is also a possibility and the now damage shows it wasn't an air-to-ground HE bomb.My comment that "it would sound like it's incoming no matter who shot the rocket" turned out to make a lot of sense I think. — flannel jesus
Exactly.... messianic Jewish settlers & Hamas. — 180 Proof
[...] "ethnic cleansing" is a purposeful policy designed by one ethnic or religious group to remove by violent and terror-inspiring means the civilian population of another ethnic or religious group from certain geographic areas. To a large extent, it is carried out in the name of misguided nationalism, historic grievances and a powerful driving sense of revenge. — United Nations Report S/1994/674
The Commission of Experts also stated that the coercive practices used to remove the civilian population can include: murder, torture, arbitrary arrest and detention, extrajudicial executions, rape and sexual assaults, severe physical injury to civilians, confinement of civilian population in ghetto areas, forcible removal, displacement and deportation of civilian population, deliberate military attacks or threats of attacks on civilians and civilian areas, use of civilians as human shields, destruction of property, robbery of personal property, attacks on hospitals, medical personnel, and locations with the Red Cross/Red Crescent emblem, among others. — United Nations
You're on the verge of sounding racist, dude. I'm sure that's not what you intended.
— frank
I despise any group that treats women as second class citizens, whether they be brown, black, or lily white MAGA Republicans. — RogueAI
Yes, I can see how I gave that impression. I have no problems with Muslims, Christians, or Jews, except when their belief systems entail hating on women and LGBTQ. — RogueAI
Palestine suffered human rights violations and crimes against humanity under Israeli occupation. Ethnic cleansing, forced displacement, discrimination, apartheid, etc. — Tzeentch
.These ancient Christian ethnic groups were drastically reduced by genocide during and after World War I (see Armenian genocide, Assyrian genocide and Greek genocide) at the hands of the Ottoman Turkish army and their Kurdish allies. Population exchange between Greece and Turkey is another reason
The percentage of Christians in Turkey fell from 19 percent in 1914 or 3 million (thought to be an undercount by one-third omitting 600,000 Armenians, 500,000 Greeks and 400,000 Assyrians) to 2.5 percent in 1927 in a population of 14 million
The systematic effort to remove the Jews from the middle east has been largely successful. — Hanover
Again, rooting out bias here, ... — schopenhauer1
In 1948, ... — Hanover
Those are obviously not the objectives here. Hamas doesn't want for Israel to "realize" anything. It's intentions aren't surely protecting the people in the open area prison called Gaza.If somehow supporting violence/barbarism/terrorism to get your message across is in any way supposed to push Israel to "realize" their wrongs, it hasn't and currently isn't working. And if the intentions are for the betterment of their people, certainly provoking a response that leads to mass death for their people (and this isn't an unknown at this point), certainly indicates supremely bad actors (both in their decision-making and their values) and does not represent anything resembling a protector of their own people or a furthering of their cause (unless the cause is more death and hardened hearts). — schopenhauer1
What did these defeatists expect, [these Arabs] who have spread the culture of impotence and despair, and wanted the path to normalization [of relations with Israel] to shape this stage with recognition of the enemy? Did they ever imagine they would see such images, such heroic deeds, such sacrifices, such courage, such pride? The perpetrators of these feats are “men who were sincere in their commitment to God. Some of them have reached their end [martyrdom], and others are still waiting; and they have not varied in any way (in their commitment).” (Quran, chapter 33, verse 23). These men shaped the gates of the Great Victory, and opened them for our people and our Ummah. These men, who know the Qur’an by heart, fast and pray in adoration of God the Most High and Exalted, have attacked and “penetrated inside the dwellings” (Quran, chapter 17, verse 5) in the heart of our territory occupied [by the enemy], around Gaza and further afield: “Help [from] God and a (promise of) upcoming victory.” (Quran, chapter 61, verse 13). You are most magnificent, O men of faith, O men of Al-Qassam Brigades, O men of Gaza, Gaza of pride and dignity, of courage, heroism and sacrifice. Today, Gaza erases from the Arab-Muslim community the shame of defeat, the shame of acceptance and inaction.
And we say to all countries, including our beloved Arab countries: you must know that this entity which is incapable of protecting itself from our fighters is incapable of providing you with security or protection. All the normalization and recognition processes, all the agreements that have been signed [with Israel] can never put an end to this battle. It is the terrain that will put an end to this battle; it is these heroic fighters who will put an end to it; it is the blood of the pure martyrs and the heroic deeds of this people, its wounded and its prisoners that will put an end to it.
(the whole text here)Israel considered that its strategic environment, its power and arrogance, as well as the silence of the Arab and Muslim peoples, and the world’s preoccupation with the war between Russia and Ukraine, made the moment propitious for it to carry out this project and put an end to this battle in Al-Quds, Al-Aqsa, the West Bank and elsewhere [in occupied Palestine].
We shall fight in France, we shall fight on the seas and oceans, we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, We shall never surrender. — Churchill
An American-Israeli Jew tells it like it is on the ground — 180 Proof
A girl posted on Instagram that she asked Chat GPT “Do Palestinians Deserve Justice?” and “Do Israeli Deserve Justice?”. Chat GPT stated that freedom and justice should be applied to individuals and groups regardless of their nationality, yet when the tool answered the Palestinian-related question, it said that justice for Palestinians is a highly complex and debated issue!
“Jerusalem is unlikely to accede to that request unless it views that it has achieved at least some of its objectives,” he noted.
The righteousness of of any people is directly proportional to the amount of blood they are prepared to sacrifice. — unenlightened
Article 2
The Organization and its Members, in pursuit of the Purposes stated in Article 1, shall act in accordance with the following Principles.
The Organization is based on the principle of the sovereign equality of all its Members.
All Members, in order to ensure to all of them the rights and benefits resulting from membership, shall fulfill in good faith the obligations assumed by them in accordance with the present Charter.
All Members shall settle their international disputes by peaceful means in such a manner that international peace and security, and justice, are not endangered.
All Members shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state, or in any other manner inconsistent with the Purposes of the United Nations.
All Members shall give the United Nations every assistance in any action it takes in accordance with the present Charter, and shall refrain from giving assistance to any state against which the United Nations is taking preventive or enforcement action.
The Organization shall ensure that states which are not Members of the United Nations act in accordance with these Principles so far as may be necessary for the maintenance of international peace and security.
Nothing contained in the present Charter shall authorize the United Nations to intervene in matters which are essentially within the domestic jurisdiction of any state or shall require the Members to submit such matters to settlement under the present Charter; but this principle shall not prejudice the application of enforcement measures under Chapter Vll. — UN Charter
Their own, or the blood of civilians? — FreeEmotion
Those are obviously not the objectives here. Hamas doesn't want for Israel to "realize" anything. It's intentions aren't surely protecting the people in the open area prison called Gaza.
You really should understand that Hamas is a religious organization, not some Western political movement thinking of politics in the Western way. Just read what Hamas and it's political leadership says about the objectives. — ssu
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