What's causing the religious extremism? — frank
And Israeli’s killing 8000 children out of love and compassion.
As long as good invisible intentions are there, one can kill with impunity. — Mikie
That's a very good question. Islam is the last of the Abrahamic religions. I don't think it's had as much time to mellow — RogueAI
The U.S. involvement has been nakedly self-serving, dishonest, and destructive. — RogueAI
The blood lies on the instigator. — BitconnectCarlos
Hamas uses 14-18 year olds as combatants. — BitconnectCarlos
Islam does have a fair amount of ideological ease with militancy because its central figure was a military leader. — frank
Just asking: Why is it so hard not to demand ethnic cleansing?So I guess we should send the Palestinians back to Saudi Arabia or whichever surrounding Arabic nation they came from. — BitconnectCarlos
Palestinians aren't even remotely close to Axis powers of the WW2.Waging war on the Axis made the deaths of tens or hundreds of thousands of Axis children an inevitability. Much more than 8k. Such is war. The blood lies on the instigator. — BitconnectCarlos
24,865 civilians were reported killed in the first two years.
Men accounted for over 80% of all civilian deaths.
Baghdad alone recorded almost half of all deaths.
When did they die?
30% of civilian deaths occurred during the invasion phase before 1 May 2003.
Post-invasion, the number of civilians killed was almost twice as high in year two (11,351) as in year one (6,215).
What was the most lethal weaponry?
Over half (53%) of all civilian deaths involved explosive devices.
Air strikes caused most (64%) of the explosives deaths.
Children were disproportionately affected by all explosive devices but most severely by air strikes and unexploded ordnance (including cluster bomblets).
That there is a hell, or hades--a gruesome realm opposite a heaven--where anybody is tortured is enough to turn one off on all three Abrahamic religions. That a glorious heaven awaits those who suffer here is anodyne, but is likewise a turnoff. Suffering here is a dead certainty; a fluffy, cotton candy heaven, not so much, — BC
Or the will. Just to give an example where a country treated insurgents as criminals and their supporters still as citizens is "the Troubles" in Northern Ireland: there more British soldiers and policeman died than IRA terrorists and the tho IRA perpetrators of the worst attack against the British army got off free as the court didn't find enough evidence for it. (The other later was killed when he was fixing a bomb, but I guess the other one lived free.)A house-by-house, room-by-room, tunnel-by-tunnel rooting out of Hamas would result in many fewer collateral deaths. Israel doesn't have enough population to mount and sustain so personnel-intensive approach. — BC
Destroying all buildings and infrastructure is an ominous issue here. Here again a totally different style of warfare compared to the US (for example in Iraq).Dropping bombs and shelling buildings is a more efficient use of resources, with ghastlier side effects. There's no such thing as a bomb smart enough to blow up only the right people. Bombs and shells are equal opportunity death-dealing devices. — BC
States do not have morals, friends, etc. What they have are "interests" and they are intended to pursue those interests on behalf of their ["most valuable"] citizen groups. — BC
I think he wants the refugees to leave Israel. Or die. — frank
Yea, that's probably true. Christianity is the king of all death cults, though. Nobody does dark and gruesome like Christians. — frank
Well at least you've narrowed your condemnation from all Muslims down to Hamas. We're making progress. :up:
Yes, but at the center of Christianity you have Jesus while at the center of Islam you have Muhammad, a successful warlord with a child bride. Jesus sees an adultress about to be stoned and says "let he who is without sin casts the first stone." Muhammad when faced with the same situation says to stone the woman. These figures are not the same. — BitconnectCarlos
I am of course against Islamic fundamentalism but I cannot call these groups theologically incorrect -- nor has the Muslim world really spoke out against them. — BitconnectCarlos
Indeed it is, so at least you are honest. :up:My knowledge is limited, — boagie
Obviously you don't know the history starting from the collapse of the Soviet Union and all the ways that Russia has intervened in Ukraine and it's near abroad starting from the 1990's. And this might not be the correct thread to go (again) this. Anyway, a long story short, Russia's behaviour in it's "Near Abroad" and in former Soviet Republics is similar if not worse as US actions in Central America and the Caribbean.but you used Ukraine as an example of the bad deeds of Russia, which couldn't be further off the mark. — boagie
Really?America has already usurped the sovereignty of the countries of Europe when they placed nuclear warheads on their soils, American nuclear warheads. — boagie
Are Taiwan, South Korea, the Gulf States poor? Here again the idea of the poor Third World of the 1960's and 1970's is different from the present.The Eastern hemisphere, basically the history of European colonies, are tired of being kept poor, and brutalized in the process. — boagie
The US has never been a brutal master of either China or Russia, or of India!All the while America has been using its awesome military to intimidate and crush weaker countries by making economic warfare on them, these countries have been preparing to meet the challenge of their brutal master, and today is the day. — boagie
How do you think Putin and Communist China will make the world better? Being critical about the US is fine, I am critical especially about their Mid-East policies. But then thinking that those opposing the US have to be great is illogical. Enemy of my enemy isn't my friend. There is much to improve in this World, I agree with you, but I don't think those guys will make it better.So again, you are on the wrong side of history, the wrong side of a better world. — boagie
Hezbollah is already active, if engaged in a limited brawl with Israel. Other factions in Lebanon are a different matter.A drone strike in Lebanon possibly pulling in Hezbollah into the conflict. Dumb decision. — Benkei
Lebanese caretaker Prime Minister Najib Mikati issued a statement late Tuesday condemning an explosion in the southern suburbs of the capital Beirut, calling it a "new Israeli crime."
Really? :brow: — Tzeentch
then it's a question of who is the occupier/colonizer and Jewish kingdoms were there well before the arrival of Arab muslims. One cannot "occupy" the land to which one is indigenous to. Jews are indigenous to Israel; Islam spread from Mecca. Israeli Jews are in no sense foreign occupiers.a foreign occupier has no right to be there in the first place and are by definition in the wrong. — Tzeentch
And Israel kills them — of all ages, in fact. Approaching the tens of thousands.
But at least they do it without hatred in their hearts. — Mikie
Israeli Jews are in no sense foreign occupiers. — BitconnectCarlos
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