At some point, you take a deal because it's good for your people to move forward. — schopenhauer1
Again, what deal are you talking about? There was no deal to be had. Or do you think Israel would have started removing settlers based on whatever borders were agreed? — Tzeentch
It was after the Sinai debacle that Israel actually vowed never to conduct such a removal again — Tzeentch
To be clear: removing hundreds of thousands of settlers to create a Palestinian state is something you consider realistic, correct? — Tzeentch
Actually thinking of Israel started to change with "Peace for Galilee" and the massacres in Shabra and Shatila (done by the Falangists). Then with the Palestinian intifada and the actions in Gaza and in the Westbank. Somehow little boys throwing rocks at armoured vehicles started to change the image of a tiny nation desperately defending itself larger Arab armies.and anti-Israeli Leftist sentiment and you get a quite ridiculous judenhass. — schopenhauer1
To be clear: removing hundreds of thousands of settlers to create a Palestinian state is something you consider realistic, correct? — Tzeentch
Yes, give or take, — schopenhauer1
And on what basis do you make that judgement, given that the UN has consistently pointed at Israel's settlement policy as a purposeful obstruction of the peace process? — Tzeentch
And since no Palestinian leaders have really taken the hard(er) route of getting past absolutist terms for peace — schopenhauer1
I don't think much of the UN.. They are a biased body. — schopenhauer1
I don't think much of the UN.. They are a biased body. — schopenhauer1
In other words: "I'm not crazy, the world is crazy!" — Tzeentch
As in, look at a lot of those countries in the General Assembly... — schopenhauer1
What should I be looking for? — Tzeentch
Numerous (48 or so?) human rights violations, [...] — schopenhauer1
many vote as an Arab/Islamic bloc, — schopenhauer1
and then there is the third-world non-aligned countries in Africa. — schopenhauer1
not to mention China and Russian interests and violations against the "West". — schopenhauer1
But, Jews haven't been known to be easy and exceptionally singled out targets in history, right? — schopenhauer1
If country's views may be disregarded based on human rights violations then where does that leave Israel? :lol: — Tzeentch
And third world countries — Tzeentch
And any nation that is aligned against the West.
Well then, let's disregard all of these (on whatever shakey grounds you have yet to present). — Tzeentch
What kind of a picture do you think we'll end up with?
Will the voting behavior of the list of countries that are left paint a less painful picture for Israel? — Tzeentch
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