I think his point was that humans can and do adapt to desert conditions with extreme heat. — frank

Then why would he so triumphantly post about air conditioning sales going down? I like a charitable reading if one can be found, old man, but yours is a completely nonsensical reading, and thus fails also of charity.

volatility is the main problem, not heat. — frank

This is true of temperate zones, but near the equator heat itself is a big problem. As a minute's research would have told you.

https://publications.iom.int/system/files/pdf/mecc_infosheet_heat_and_migration.pdf
https://theconversation.com/increasing-heat-is-already-a-factor-in-human-migration-new-study-206358
https://www.climate-refugees.org/spotlight/2023/10/4/global-temperatures

etc.

Then why would he so triumphantly post about air conditioning sales going down? — unenlightened

I don't know. I think he was saying that increased air conditioning doesn't account for their population increase.

This is true of temperate zones, but near the equator heat itself is a big problem — unenlightened

Yes. It's hot at the equator.

https://www.pbs.org/video/are-we-at-the-tipping-point-udlvvz/

First of a series of easy-watching videos that might illuminate a little.

@unenlightened

The world's hottest city whose coast can burn sea creatures to death and whose streets feature air conditioning has been branded "unliveable".

I thought that you would be able to connect the dots. But apparently I was wrong.

People like you try to create the impression that Kuwait has become "unlivable" because of global-warming/climate-change. The truth is that it has almost always been "unlivable".

Compare these 2 Color Temperature Figures. One is for 2022 and the other is for 1989. A difference of 33 years. They look fairly similar to me, with approximately the same "sweltering" area. So Kuwait is about the same degree of "unlivable" in both years.

https://weatherspark.com/h/y/104331/2022/Historical-Weather-during-2022-in-Kuwait-City-Kuwait#Figures-ColorTemperature

https://weatherspark.com/h/y/104331/1989/Historical-Weather-during-1989-in-Kuwait-City-Kuwait#Figures-ColorTemperature

On the subject of air conditioning. Carrier was the first air conditioning company to be present in Kuwait way back in 1946. Mr. Morad Yusuf Behbehani was appointed as authorized distributor and the first air conditioner was delivered to the then Emir of Kuwait in the year 1946.

Before air conditioning Kuwait must have been like living in the fires of hell. That really was "unlivable".

''The number of days per year that see temperatures rise above 50C have more than tripled since the turn of the century, noted the meteorologist.''

https://phys.org/news/2023-08-kuwait-summers-planet.html#:~:text=Kuwait%20has%20always%20been%20hot,Death%20Valley%20in%20eastern%20California.

That's significant.

(Research time necessary to discover this: 3 minutes)

A Changing Climate Is Scorching the World’s Biggest River

In one stretch in the Brazilian state of Amazonas, the river was 25 feet below the average for this time of year, according to the agency, which began collecting data in 1967.

Parts of three of the Amazon River’s most important tributaries — major rivers in their own right, each spanning over 1,000 miles — have also fallen to historical lows.

I think Biden said it best the other day (for once): if you deny the climate crisis, you’re braindead at this point.

The day I come in here, and don't laugh, is the day I'll start bothering with stuff like that claim from Biden.

That was interesting, thanks. Kind of scary that so many don’t think about it. I’m one of them until recently and it reminded me of stuff like pandemics and nuclear weaponry.

The day I come in here, and don't laugh — AmadeusD

Weird. What’s funny about it?

I think you’re in over your head here mate. Why do you go on like this?

The truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth

The absolute truth about something, without omission, embellishment, or alteration.

One of the things that concerns me about global-warming/climate-change is the omission of some information. This can create an incorrect picture or impression about what the truth is.

Take the recent highest temperature record from Kuwait’s Mitribah weather station, a staggering 54°C.

Now look at the Wikipedia article about Mitribah. Here is the link:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitribah

Look at the picture of the weather station. It appears to be surrounded on at least 2 sides by concrete block walls.

The National Weather Service says this about the proper siting of a weather station:
"When possible, the shelter should be no closer than four times the height of any obstruction (tree, fence, building, etc.). The sensor should be at least 100 feet from any paved or concrete surface."

Kuwait’s Mitribah weather station does not appear to meet the standards. It should not be used as a reliable trustworthy site for temperature measurements. But it is being used to scare and panic people about global-warming/climate-change.

Weird. What’s funny about it? — John McMannis

It arouses my humour mechanisms.
Have you tracked Mikie's posts through this thread? Several attempts have been made to catalogue his inane, insulting tirades that he seems to take pride it.
HIlarious he's a mod.

It arouses my humour mechanisms. — AmadeusD

Ya but why? I look at the news of extreme heat and floods and stuff like that and it doesn’t seem funny.

Have you tracked Mikie's posts through this thread? Several attempts have been made to catalogue his inane, insulting tirades that he seems to take pride it.
HIlarious he's a mod. — AmadeusD

I have read some. It seems he’s put you on ignore and you don’t like it? Maybe you’re making it personal. I don’t mind if people are a little insulting if I can learn from them, and I’ve learned a lot from him….also he’s not a mod.

But what does Mikie have to do with my question? Is climate change funny because of one person’s posts?

HIlarious he's a mod. — AmadeusD

She's not a mod anymore.

The truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth — Agree-to-Disagree

A troll, a complete troll, and nothing but a troll. There is literally no end to your bullshit, is there?

The World Meteorological Organization (WMO) has officially evaluated temperature record extremes of 54.0 °C at two locations, one in Mitribah, Kuwait, on 21 July 2016 and a second in Turbat, Pakistan, on 28 May 2017.

In its most intensive evaluation ever undertaken, the WMO Archive of Weather and Climate Extremes, has verified the Mitribah observation as 53.9 °C (± 0.1 °C margin of uncertainty) and the Turbat one as 53.7 °C (± 0.4 °C).

The Mitribah, Kuwait temperature is now accepted by the WMO as the highest temperature ever recorded for the continental region of Asia and the two observations are the third (tied within uncertainty limits) and fourth highest WMO-recognized temperature extremes. Significantly, they are the highest, officially-recognized temperatures to have been recorded in the last 76 years.

Full details of the assessment are given in the on-line issue of the International Journal of Climatology published on 17 June 2019.

https://web.archive.org/web/20231218172054/https://public-old.wmo.int/en/media/press-release/wmo-verifies-3rd-and-4th-hottest-temperature-recorded-earth

But Mr troll is suddenly the world expert on weather station rules on the basis of a photo.

So what next, Troll?

I think you’re in over your head here mate. Why do you go on like this? — John McMannis

Answer:

A troll, a complete troll, and nothing but a troll. — unenlightened

I see you’re engaging with a number of intellectually deficient individuals. My advice is to just let them be. Banging your head against a brick wall is useless— eventually you just have to stop. Ignore feature is helpful there.

Anyway, back in the real world:

https://www.france24.com/en/video/20241007-in-utah-climate-change-denial-persists-as-america-s-dead-sea-disappears

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna174260

My advice is to just let them be. Banging your head against a brick wall is useless— eventually you just have to stop. Ignore feature is helpful there. — Mikie

Forgive me, I will not take your advice. If no one shovels out the shit, then the whole thread becomes shit. If I was a mod, I would have banned, but since I am no longer a mod, I feel the need to respond to even pathetic attempts to undermine what I post, even though it is a never ending and thankless task.

Both aspects of this reply are awesome.

Both aspects of this reply are awesome. — AmadeusD

:cool:

I look at the news of extreme heat and floods and stuff like that and it doesn’t seem funny. — John McMannis

Feel free :) You're now talking about somethign other than this thread. Which is why I find funny. I don't really care about the 'climate crisis' but I don't deny the majority of what's claimed about it. It's the reactions I find funny.

But what does Mikie have to do with my question? Is climate change funny because of one person’s posts? — John McMannis

You're not reading very clearly, it seems. No one said climate change is funny.

I would have banned, ... — unenlightened

So you want to be surrounded by "yes men". Perhaps you should change your name to Donald Trump.

Why did you bring up Kuwait?

But Mr troll is suddenly the world expert on weather station rules on the basis of a photo. — unenlightened

A picture is worth a thousand words. Are you claiming that the photo is not genuine?

And questioning things is better than accepting them with your eyes shut and your brain turned off.

The World Meteorological Organization (WMO) has officially evaluated temperature record extremes of 54.0 °C at two locations, one in Mitribah, Kuwait, on 21 July 2016 and a second in Turbat, Pakistan, on 28 May 2017.

If the WMO accepts the temperature record from Kuwait's Mitribah weather station, given that it obviously doesn't meet the standards set by the National Weather Service, then I have lost all faith in the WMO. The WMO have shown that they cannot be trusted.

Why did you bring up Kuwait? — frank

Kuwait has been in the news recently because of the record temperature recorded from Kuwait's Mitribah weather station. A "staggering" 54°C.

Global-warming/climate change (GW/CC) fanatics have gone wild claiming that Kuwait has become "almost unlivable". In truth it has nearly always been "almost unlivable". But GW/CC fanatics don't want to let the facts get in the way of a good story that they want to hear.

Forgive me, I will not take your advice. If no one shovels out the shit, then the whole thread becomes shit. — unenlightened

That was directed at John— but I’d say the same of you. But I appreciate your efforts, whatever it is they’re claiming. The climate issue attracts a lot of idiots.

Kuwait has been in the news recently because of the record temperature recorded from Kuwait's Mitribah weather station. A "staggering" 54°C. — Agree-to-Disagree

The last time I was in Las Vegas it was 52 C. So what?

Global-warming/climate change (GW/CC) fanatics have gone wild claiming that Kuwait has become "almost unlivable". In truth it has nearly always been "almost unlivable". — Agree-to-Disagree

I haven't heard anyone to talking about Kuwait. :razz:

Is climate change funny because of one person’s posts?
— John McMannis

You're not reading very clearly, it seems. No one said climate change is funny. — AmadeusD

You said when you stop laughing you’ll take the claim that climate deniers are braindead seriously. You’ll “bother” with it. I guess I was giving more credit than deserved in assuming your post had any connection to climate change. What you’re really doing is being immature, which according to your post history you often criticize others for. I guess that’s my fault.

But GW/CC fanatics don't want to let the facts get in the way of a good story that they want to hear. — Agree-to-Disagree

You’ve been given the facts by many people here. It’s clear to me who wants to follow a story, and it’s you. The story of an outsider battling the “fanatics”. But they’re not fanatical. There’s nothing they’ve said that’s inaccurate. If the number of days over 50C has tripled since 2000, as was pointed out, then that by itself appears significant. Again I ask what motivates a person to go on like this? What about this subject makes you take a position you wouldn’t hold with other subjects, like geophysics or string theory? Sorry but this subject is important to me as my family is from an island nation.

Again I ask what motivates a person to go on like this? — John McMannis

Why not focus on the topic rather than on psychoanalysis?

You said when you stop laughing you’ll take the claim that climate deniers are braindead seriously. — John McMannis

No i didn't.

Thanks for playing.

What you’re really doing is being immature, which according to your post history you often criticize others for. I guess that’s my fault. — John McMannis

Ah. baby Mikie. You'll be fun.

sock puppet?