So the only reality is that of vector spaces? — Prishon
What you propose here is a math model of how physics pro- or regresses. — Prishon
Thats [ontological relativism] my own invention... — Prishon
Creating incompatablity to be combined. — CaZaNOx
I am not proposing anything, at all. — CaZaNOx
The vector space equalizes things that cant be equalized. — Prishon
is not an argument. It's just an empty statement without backup that can be dissmissed as easily as you positioned it. I can just say "Yes it can".can't be equalized — Prishon
The fact that it's rather easy to combine things on an abstract theoretical level is a basic counterargument to your position and answers your question. — CaZaNOx
Again, the examples are fine, but you haven't defined what you mean by reality. That means I am left to draw my own conclusions by what you mean, and I might be off. — Philosophim
By "realities", do you maybe mean "physical universes" (worlds)? Because "realities" refer (among other things) to people's view of the physical universe. Each human being has its own reality. And all these realities coexist and are different. If we agree on something, then we have a common reality. But conflicting or just different realities also coexist. Only that when there is agreement, what happens is that realities become stronger, to a point that they may be confused with the physical universe! For example, all the people on earth agree about the existence of the sun. And because this was happening since the beginning of the human history, the sun appears still more "real" to people and its existence becomes something like an objective, absolute reality for everyone. Yet, the reality around it has changed through time. It was once thought that sun turned around the Earth, since Earth was the center of the Universe! If science were not created, we might still believe that! That is, that would be our reality. (Most probably, tribes today who still have this reality. And they, as ourselves in the past, have all the reasons in the world to believe that ...Even today, we can get the illusion that the sun moves around the earth: "The sun rises and sets", "the sun is up in sky", ... are everyday common phrases!What are the objections against the view that a lot of different realities can co-exist? — Prishon
The science did a lot of good to us by explaining and describing the physical universe so that we could get out of total ignorance and superstitions!Especially in the science driven global culture of today there seems to be a lot of resistence. That is at least what I experience. — Prishon
Anyway, again, I believe you mean resistance about coexisting physical universes ( — Alkis Piskas
"But" is good! It is actually essential in philosophical discussions! :smile:I wouldnt be me without a but; they even call me the but — Prishon
Exactly. Yes, "physical realities". But always individual realities, i.e., they exist in the mind of the individuals, not outside (in the physical universe).For twodifferentpeople there can be two different physical realities. — Prishon
What do you mean by the "real thing"?Whats the real thing? — Prishon
Yes, if you talk about realities, mental worlds. You and me can think of the same thing or have the same reality about something at the same time.Both at the same time? — Prishon
they exist in the mind of the individuals, not outside (in the
%physical — Alkis Piskas
What do you mean by the "real thing?" — Alkis Piskas
The key point is that you need a strong case that invaldiates expanding a existing framework to include new knowledge. — CaZaNOx
Do you ask it the reality that I have in my mind about a tree I am just observing also exists as such in the physical universe? How can that be? One is mental and the other is physical. What I have in mind is a representation of the tree. What exists in the physical universe is the tree itself.Why cant they exist in the outside? Cant mental states and physical states coexist? — Prishon
I can't get any of this ... Try maybe to create and post here a drawing that shows all that ...By mediation maybe of the body? Is there an independent physical pulling through our mental states? If so then say a true material circle form pulls through our mental image of it cant we connect it with other physical circels, or otber forms, to create a new physical reality which wasn't present before our thinking? — Prishon
Incommensurability in the sense of using different scales (or spectrums / continuums of scale) to measure has never been sensational.incommensurability — Prishon
This is a fair point.You asked what the counterargument to a position that you made up yourself is. But you didn't state anything about your position — CaZaNOx
1. Cant mental states and physical states coexist? By mediation maybe of the body? Is there an independent physical pulling through our mental states? 2. If so then say a true material circle form pulls through our mental image of it cant we connect it with other physical circels, or other forms, to create a new physical reality which wasn't present before our thinking? — Prishon
Do you ask it the reality that I have in my mind about a tree I am just observing also exists as such in the physical universe? How can that be? One is mental and the other is physical. What I have in mind is a representation of the tree. What exists in the physical universe is the tree itself.
Or maybe you mean something else? — Alkis Piskas
The inner world can potentially contain all sructures there are in the matter world and can influence that matter world. By thought patterns or by the body. For now... my brain hurts... A physical process with magic content. — Prishon
What kind and who's reality this is?The reality of you thinking about a tree — Prishon
Re "the view when looking": What kind of view this is? A view mainly means the ability to and action of seeing something from a certain point (both literally and figuratively). It may also mean a sight.The minds eye view (including whatever ordening is involved) is the same as the view when looking. — Prishon
Present to/for whom? And why is it not present? It it is me, do you mean that I'm lost in my thoughts or anyway, my thoughts kind of block out my sight of the tree? (Most probably not, but what else?)That tree has a physical, matter-like existence. This matter is not present when you think. — Prishon
You lost me there! :smile:But whats the Nature of matter? Isnt it possible that it contains some "magical" "stuff"? — Prishon
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