It's that easy. We have the physics interpretation. Information= entropy=klnN (a number). — Gobuddygo
Then we have the information (non-quantifiable) contained in forms. There is a huge variety of them. They are contained in the physical world and in the world of the brain, interacting via our body and they are interdependent. The depend on the initial state of the universe. — Gobuddygo
Can you please explain the logic that underlies this expression? — Pop
it makes no sense to call everything information — Mersi
The aspect of novelty: A propostion only contains information for us, if we draw new conclusions from it. This is to seperate the term "Information" from the Term "knowledge". But at the same time it does not prevent us from calling "Information" what arises in the moment we become aware of a new idea. — Mersi
The aspect of comprehensibility: A proposition contains information for us, only if we are able to understand it. To do so, it´s semantic elements (what ever this is) must match a part of what we know about the world (or let´s say it´s hypothetical linguistic expression). — Mersi
I think, there is no sense in trying to determine the amount of potential information contained in a given object in advance. Because the amount of "Information" we may draw from dealing with an object (or a proposition) depends on the way we look at it. — Mersi
During the interwar period there was an attempt by members of the "Wiener Kreis" to quantify the semantic content of a message by means of the complexity of it´s syntactical structure. This attempt failed as did theire attempt to find only one of Wittgenstein´s elementary propositions. — Mersi
As you can read in my second part this information=entropy= a number (klnN). This is not the information contained in the forms, which is not quantifiable — DanLager
Yes I understand. But I find such equations frustrating, as no information can be retrieved from entropy which is chaotic. — Pop
What do you think of my description aside from the equation. The comment below the question. I'm not too sure about this, but something of the sort would need to occur? — Pop
My body lies between these worlds. — DanLager
Do you mean with "more sophisticated" us people? — DanLager
How do you envision the interaction? — DanLager
Yeah, the cerebellum would represent us, whilst a more primitive mind would have resolved the external world to a coloured in and symbolized world. — Pop
If it represnts us then who are "us" (we)? Personally I think we are just our body (without brain). — DanLager
I'm not on your side concerning logic as interaction. Logic connects forms but in a restricted way. — DanLager
If you play the videos it might give you some insights into how math models could be used to simulate brain function. I'm not saying this example is how brain function works, just that this type of simulation could be useful in studying how neuron groups control information. — Mark Nyquist
I was also thinking how our brains handle tens of thousands of items of information per day but everything seems to happen on a single stage, almost one at a time. Like there is a central core to how we handle information with a lot of peripherals filling in the details. — Mark Nyquist
I started a thread on that some time back. Landauer is in the ‘information science’ business, he was a senior scientist at IBM. So he could tell you in very precise terms how many bits of data the Complete Works of Plato would require, and the energy requirements of storing it or erasing it. But he wouldn’t necessarily have anything to say about its content. — Wayfarer
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