millions of years prior to the evolution of language existed in some non-existent state — Hanover

By George, he's got it!

This is something I've discussed many times on the forum. If you haven't seen those posts, now is not the time to go into it.

Not sure that counts but thanks for being grandiose — Tom Storm

Why you not sure? Are you also physicist? It IS grandiose to know! :grin:

This is something I've discussed many times on the forum. If you haven't seen those posts, now is not the time to go into it. — T Clark

Send me the link to this past discussion so that I can get up to speed.

Philosophy is an empty vessel. — Banno

So it seems is theoretical physics.

What I have in mind is the truly hard question of philosophy, which is not consciousness (though indirectly, one can claim this) but presence. — Constance

One might call this the ‘metaphysics of presence’, after Heidegger and Derrida. Indeed, if one begins with presence , then one finds oneself ‘before’ language , becuase presence, as self-presence, auto-affection, self-identity, must be before language since it precedes relation. The trick is to think before presence Then language reappears , not as that which takes place between presences , but as prior to presence.

Send me the link to this past discussion so that I can get up to speed. — Hanover

https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/1560/deathmatch-objective-reality-vs-the-tao/p1

https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/10427/my-favorite-verses-in-the-tao-te-ching/p1

And many others.

Im a particle physicist — Prishon

I've never heard of a particle physicist who eschews mathematics. :roll:

So it seems is theoretical physics. — Tom Storm

Ok. The Big Bang is a better story than Genesis. With Genesis the story is given, and folk spend their time trying to make the world fit the story. With physics, the world is given, and we change the story to fit the world. One story closes off further discussion, the other opens it up.

I agree. I was referring to how certain laypeople use physics as an empty vase in which to arrange the flowers of speculative bullshit...

I dont eschew it. But the ideas, the imagination is what truly counts. Math hides this. For example the math of local gauge (phase) transformations combined with a symmetry breaking (Higgs mechanism) is imaginary. No one can give a satisfactory account of mass creation (in the sense of saying what actually the math describes; I asked too much about this on physics sites; Deleted!) Ghosly Goldstone bosons eaten up by the gauge field fir the weak interaction? Nono. I donot buy that. They could be wrong you know. The math is perfect and shiny. Nature doesnt follow though.

...certain laypeople... — Tom Storm

Not just laypeople...

the imagination is what truly counts — Prishon

...(sigh).

(sigh) — Banno

Is that a lovesigh?

I was referring to how certain laypeople use physics as an empty vase in which to arrange the flowers of speculative bullshit... — Tom Storm

Can you give an example how these flowers look like? Im very interested in big bang physics and math!

I thought you claim to be a particle physicist

I am. Nevertheless, Im interested in speculative bullshit. Always an outside chance I can learn something.

The questions you ask indicate otherwise. Where did you get your degree?

The questions you ask indicate otherwise. Where did you get your degree? — Gregory

Which questions?

Everywhere. Where did you get your degree?

Everywhere. Where did you get your degree? — Gregory

Exactly what I expected. Second time ask about the degree answering my question with a nonsense answer. VU Amaterdam. Whats so important about a degree.?

Then why are you asking people on a random website questions about physics when you can just ask your colleagues.

Something doesnt add up

Now you answer my question. Where? Everywhere is no answer.

Something doesnt add up — Gregory

Huh? What then. You think I have collegues? I only studied there. Particle physicist is not my daily work. And luckily so! Im not bound and fixed to the standard model. That damned phone!

So you have a degree or just studied there?

After master I quit. Didnt wanna spend 4 years on how an electron behaves. For 1200 euros a month. Better things to do!

So you don't work in the field and have no colleagues

So. Ive answered the question. What question of mine?

I see THOUGHTS AND IMAGINATIONS TO BE DESCRIBED BY MATH ONLY. Math is nice but can lead astray. Its the image that comes first.

Everywhere, on threads and your threads

Everywhere, on threads and your threads — Gregory

Can you give an example of one?

Then why are you asking people on a random website questions about physics when you can just ask your colleagues. — Gregory

You think I havent done that? Ive emailed with Harari even. About the rishon model. Most others just dismiss. Fixation on standard model.