Also, any effect some other being has on my actions would mean that they are inseparable from the same world I am part of. They would be part of the same causal chain that I am part of, which would lead one to ask who created the creator? How does something come from nothing? — Harry Hindu
Ok. I see your point. I believe I was created by my parents. After all, my appearance, shape and function all seem to resemble certain aspects of their appearance, shape and function more than any other thing I have encountered.Yes, these are possibilities, but they are not alternatives to whether or not you have a creator. In other words, you must have either no creator or a creator. Whether or not you were created in an infinite stream of causation or by a single being which is the first to exist doesn't change the fact that you were, indeed, created (or vice versa). — Javants
Understood. I wouldn't consider it a God if it didn't have any prior intention in creating me. But I have limits and functions. My limits and functions must say something about what created me.That's a very good point, but for the purpose of this debate, having something which creates you does not mean it is a God based on the fact alone that it is affecting your life by allowing it to exist. For example, hypothetically, we could have been created by some freak natural phenomena. Even though that phenomena has created us (and thus has the effect of allowing us to act), it cannot really be considered a 'God' because it has not had any further affect on our lives besides causation. — Javants
This is where I'm going to disagree. If there is infinite causation, or a loop of causation, then there is/was no nothingness. There has always been something.It is equally impossible for our minds to grasp infinite causation as it is something coming from nothingness. As you said yourself, "causation could continue forever in both directions". Just because we can't comprehend it, does not mean it necessarily did not happen (although we have no real way of knowing). — Javants
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